Got the same impression about his pace, but his recovery pace is pretty strong. Acceleration might need some improving.

He reminds me of Monreal in his younger days.

Ricky1985 wrote:

My concerns with watching what video there is around of Tierney is how quick is he really? He looks a little slow off the mark, flat footed even.

I agree, and I had the same impression from watching Saliba. Not sure what to think about that, but it's probably a small concern considering that both of them are expected to be mainstays in the defence for the next decade or so. Hopefully they'll become a little more explosive with training.

Klaus wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:

My concerns with watching what video there is around of Tierney is how quick is he really? He looks a little slow off the mark, flat footed even.

I agree, and I had the same impression from watching Saliba. Not sure what to think about that, but it's probably a small concern considering that both of them are expected to be mainstays in the defence for the next decade or so. Hopefully they'll become a little more explosive with training.

Haven't watched a single Tierny video but watching Saliba that's exactly what I thought. Looks decently fast when he gets up and running but seemed quite slow on the turn and in his acceleration. Even his tackling, although the videos show him winning so many, seems a bit risky in that he uses his strength a bit too much which I'm worried he'll get called for fouls in the PL for pushing. A few of the barges I saw for me seemed like blatant fouls but weren't given for some reason.

we're too concerned with players being speed merchants. A good coach should be able to manage dealing with pace, and pace on attack is great but you don't need to have elite sprinter level pace. Martinelli seems pretty rapid anyway.

9 days later

Yep. Really undergoing rehab

I'm more and more concerned over his injury record. Nothing to worry about?

Tierney, Saliba, Pepe. We are going to end up holding our nuts in 3 weeks aren’t we?

Claudius wrote:

Tierney, Saliba, Pepe ...

£25m bid made and set to be accepted is the latest.

Coombs wrote:

I'm more and more concerned over his injury record. Nothing to worry about?

Busted - next?

Jed wrote:

£25m bid made and set to be accepted is the latest.

Scottish sun: EXCLUSIVE: Arsenal make record-breaking £25m bid for Celtic star Kieran Tierney

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4481824/kieran-tierney-arsenal-transfer-news-25m-celtic/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1563053552

Chris McLaughlin (BBC): #Arsenal back in for #Celtic defender Kieran Tierney. Latest offer understood to be in region of £25million.

Ornstein also retweeted this Chris McLaughin tweet.
Looking good this one.

Is the 25m amount not what Celtic did would be required right at the start. So we've negotiated hard to get the same price but with the risk is the transfer falling through if it goes like this.

We have changed personnel but our transfer tactics seem to be the same. Much like our change in management and our defense. We need to be doing better

awooga83 wrote:

Is the 25m amount not what Celtic did would be required right at the start. So we've negotiated hard to get the same price but with the risk is the transfer falling through if it goes like this.

Liverpool came to understand very quickly how to get things done. They did not repeat their mistake , paid up for Van Dyk and Allison. 

GooneriC wrote:

We have changed personnel but our transfer tactics seem to be the same. Much like our change in management and our defense. We need to be doing better

All along i blamed Wenger.
Seems like i was wrong.

GooneriC wrote:

We have changed personnel but our transfer tactics seem to be the same. Much like our change in management and our defense. We need to be doing better

First, you complain that we're not signing anyone. Then when we're about to sign someone, you complain about how we sign them. Anything the club does, you find something to complain about it.

There are plenty of people who are frustrated with things, in fact most of us are probably dissatisfied to a degree. But can you at least try to be in some way constructive rather than just mindlessly sniping?

£20m + a potential £5m more in bonuses is a good deal. It was reported Celtic were adamant they wanted £25m guaranteed and some reports suggested they wanted add-ons on top of that too.

GooneriC wrote:

You're not making any sense.

Help me out here, which bit don't you understand?

The concept of not whinging I’m guessing.

We're probably trying to amortise this across several years, with a bigger chunk dropping next season to balance this year's books. That's what I would have done with no Champions League income.

I can understand why Celtic are apprehensive when there are clubs out there with the financial muscle to just drop the cash on them straight away. Luckily for us that's not Napoli though, and they seem to be the only other club taking a serious interest in him.

Klaus wrote:

We're probably trying to amortise this across several years, with a bigger chunk dropping next season to balance this year's books. That's what I would have done with no Champions League income.

Our installment plan would have no impact from an amortisation perspective as the contract intangible will amortise evenly across the length of the contract he signs regardless of how we structure payments. It would only impact cash flow. 

We're just being cheap. 

So if the club try to structure this summer's transfers with as little as possible being paid this summer, they're being cheap? How else are they supposed to buy the at minimum 4 starting players that most would agree we need?

Tambourine Man wrote:
Klaus wrote:

We're probably trying to amortise this across several years, with a bigger chunk dropping next season to balance this year's books. That's what I would have done with no Champions League income.

Our installment plan would have no impact from an amortisation perspective as the contract intangible will amortise evenly across the length of the contract he signs regardless of how we structure payments. It would only impact cash flow. 

We're just being cheap. 

This is what I don’t quite understand. As far as profit/loss and FFP goes when we actually pay them makes no difference. If you want to avoid that aspect then you need to come up with a scheme similar to PSG and Mbappe, a loan with a conditional purchase clause.

I’m guessing perhaps the “instalments” themselves are conditional, or in other words are dressed up as add ons. That would explain why clubs are being a little more hesitant. It being purely a cash flow issue doesn’t compute.

You know what Klaus meant, if he's said structure instead of amortise there wouldn't have been an issue. I don't think it's being cheap trying to negotiate a good deal in our position. It's also maybe being missed that we could know Celtic and Tierney's intentions, and as long as all three parties are comfortable a deal will happen when it happens. Ideally it would be sooner rather than later but Tierney is not fit yet so in a practical sense it makes no difference in whether he is doing rehab with Celtic's physios or ours.

awooga83 wrote:

Is the 25m amount not what Celtic did would be required right at the start. So we've negotiated hard to get the same price but with the risk is the transfer falling through if it goes like this.

I'm sure we were always just about there with the overall price, the problem has been how it is structured and the initial payment. 

Arsenal's offer for Tierney falls short. Celtic are unwilling to accept staggered payments without an original offer matching the player's valuation. [Herald Scotland]

Better luck next time.

It's really kinda embarrassing how broke we are as a supposedly top club. Can't seal a deal with a SPL side, a ligue 1 midtable side and PL midtable side

Clrnc wrote:

It's really kinda embarrassing how broke we are as a supposedly top club. Can't seal a deal with a SPL side, a ligue 1 midtable side and PL midtable side

I really don't get this. We're in our third season of Europa League with players on CL wages and Celtic are trying to make us pay £25m (over half our reported budget) for a defender that has only ever played in the Scottish league. On what planet would we not haggle over money?

Only in football would you be criticised for trying to run your club in a financially responsible way...

Don Pacifico wrote:
Clrnc wrote:

It's really kinda embarrassing how broke we are as a supposedly top club. Can't seal a deal with a SPL side, a ligue 1 midtable side and PL midtable side

I really don't get this. We're in our third season of Europa League with players on CL wages and Celtic are trying to make us pay £25m (over half our reported budget) for a defender that has only ever played in the Scottish league. On what planet would we not haggle over money?

Only in football would you be criticised for trying to run your club in a financially responsible way...

the issue is that i think a lot of fans expect these moves to fall apart at the end because we'll try to haggle for a few million pounds and then someone else will come in. then we'll have not only lost the player, but we'll have wasted considerable time and wont make the requisite signings we need to make.

You might be right and I understand the fear. But Dick Law is gone, we've got a new team behind the scenes and I'm prepared to give them time to prove themselves.

Fingers crossed.

Don Pacifico wrote:

You might be right and I understand the fear. But Dick Law is gone, we've got a new team behind the scenes and I'm prepared to give them time to prove themselves.

Fingers crossed.

Something like this

Think you guys are misunderstanding Clrnc point. Think he's expressing general frustration at how we're supposed to be a big club, have been underachieving, could be in the market for multiple positions, and are still unable to seal a left back from a Scottish club this late in the window.
That is what it looks like and it goes to support my theory which predicates on us not being or aspiring to be a top tier club or at least the people that run it having no such ambitions.

arsedoc md wrote:

Think you guys are misunderstanding Clrnc point. Think he's expressing general frustration at how we're supposed to be a big club, have been underachieving, could be in the market for multiple positions, and are still unable to seal a left back from a Scottish club this late in the window.
That is what it looks like and it goes to support my theory which predicates on us not being or aspiring to be a top tier club or at least the people that run it having no such ambitions.

There is the basic reality that we are carrying premium players on a Costco budget. So we have a few problems where

  • we have all these badly scouted players who we overpaid on the assumption that we would continue to be a Champions League club with money raining in every season. Nobody wants to take them off our hands
  • and now we need to go into the market and improve the squad but keep costs as low as possible while we are a Europa club

So I’m not surprised that we are coming up with complex, delayed payment structures for all our deals re Tierney, Saliba, Zaha. We are in a shit financial position and will be so next year as well if Emery doesn’t turn water into wine and get us back into Champions League this season