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  • Other clubs transfer thread summer 2019 edition (Official: Madrid sign Hazard)

Coombs wrote:

Emery definitely knows how to use a 10, he even has a pretty unique perspective on the role as seen during his time in Spain. I unfortunately agree with the idea that James is a bit Ozil-ish these days. We need a reliable, athletic, creative 10 with a Ramsey-ish type of profile, if any. We also just need a player who is hungry.

[font=Source Sans Pro]Unique perspective on the role is a great politician-style description of doesn't know how.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]He wants a runner who presses and tracks back (not a number 10) in that position.[/font]
[font=Source Sans Pro]As you say, any number 10 in his team will have to play like Ramsey (not a number 10) to be effective.[/font]

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:
Coombs wrote:

Emery definitely knows how to use a 10, he even has a pretty unique perspective on the role as seen during his time in Spain. I unfortunately agree with the idea that James is a bit Ozil-ish these days. We need a reliable, athletic, creative 10 with a Ramsey-ish type of profile, if any. We also just need a player who is hungry.

[font=Source Sans Pro]Unique perspective on the role is a great politician-style description of doesn't know how.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]He wants a runner who presses and tracks back (not a number 10) in that position.[/font]
[font=Source Sans Pro]As you say, any number 10 in his team will have to play like Ramsey (not a number 10) to be effective.[/font]

Because that's the way a player in that position can be effective in the modern game, otherwise you play with two hard-running B2B players with a DM behind them, or 3 CBs.

There's no room for a player that doesn't work hard in any top team. It's hilarious how people will lambast and lament lack of workrate for years on end, luxury players, etc. and then when a coach comes in and demands workrate will go on to lambast and lament how he doesn't "know how to use" talent. It's starting to become impossible to read this nonsense anymore.

Then don't buy a number 10 like James to add to the wreckage of Ozil and Mkhi.
Better to play a Ramsey-type player or settle for Zaha, Sarr or Ziyech type player instead.

van de beek or ziyech would be good as a high pressing 10

Yeah. That’s what we should be doing. Get rid of these non-defending, non-scoring AMs we currently have. They’re hurting us.

can't defend, can't score, what are you good for.

Chip chop (TM) shots

And looking like a hunger games contestant.

Brandt to Dortmund for €25m and earning £135k a week. That's exactly the kind of deal we should've tried to make.

except he had no interest in leaving germany yet.

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Pulisic sold to a rich English club with more money than sense. Brandt and Hazard in. And a £10m profit.

That's "outsmarting the market." Take note Mr. Sanllehi.

Superb business for Dortmund.

Wheeling and dealing has always been our weakness.

Brandt and Hazard in with Pulisic out is just criminal. Shows you that some clubs are awake and others are getting taken for a ride.

I feel like Dortmund are doing those logical things many people on here propose. Sell player X for that, buy those two instead. With Arsenal "it's not that easy in real life", but Dortmund do it time and time again.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

I feel like Dortmund are doing those logical things many people on here propose. Sell player X for that, buy those two instead. With Arsenal "it's not that easy in real life", but Dortmund do it time and time again.

Exactly, it really is not that difficult, Arsenal have made it seem impossible.

The key first step is, sell your players at top prices

ohboy!!! wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:

I feel like Dortmund are doing those logical things many people on here propose. Sell player X for that, buy those two instead. With Arsenal "it's not that easy in real life", but Dortmund do it time and time again.

Exactly, it really is not that difficult, Arsenal have made it seem impossible.

The key first step is, sell your players at top prices

The first step is shift some of Xhaka, Ozil, Mustafi and Mkhitaryan. And then see the magic happen. 

The first step is to identify talented players before it becomes obvious. That's the part Dortmund do so well. Pulisic might be overpriced but he's also a good player, and potentially a very good one.

We don't sell well, by and large, because we're trying to sell players that have proven to be unsuccessful (talent/coaching issue) in the very league where Dortmund take clubs to the cleaners.

Other Premier League clubs would pay big money if we put Bellerin (injury aside) or Guendouzi on the market. Because they are young, hugely talented and have proven they can play at the top level. We wouldn't get bumped in those cases.

You can't sell wastrels, or good prospects you've coached to play like wastrels, for big bucks. Even Premier League clubs aren't that stupid.

I see your point, but the fact remains if we had sold properly (Ramsey, Sanchez, Ozil, Oxlade, Walcott, Fabregas, Henry etc) we might have come out ahead.

We have been poor sellers for a long time, although the point about lack of talent is also true.

Definitely sold the good ones we've had low too. We basically did nothing well!

Dortmund announce Brandt officially:
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United fans think owing to these two Dortmund signings that Jadon Sancho is on his way. 😆

I'll be laughing out the other side of my face if it happens now. Apart from the fact that I think he'd be mad to go there, last I heard Dortmund wanted a lot more than United are willing to pay:
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I'd still pay £80m for the kid.

to get big fees you have to sell players while they still have potential sell on value at the next club. under our current management we would have sold ozil and alexis in summer '16 and ramsey in summer '17. so if raul is true to his word and a player doesn't want to renew with two years remaining then he's gone, we'll be just fine on the selling front.

We complained loudly as fans when we began selling players last time though. Called ourselves a “selling” team.

I have made my peace with the fact that we need to be a selling team to stay competitive in this crazy world. As long as the recruitment team can show that they can build a pipeline to effectively strengthen the team with the money we make in selling, I'd have no problem with that.

To sell well you have to buy well and manage contracts well.
Pretty hard to do when we are letting contracts of younger men lapse, and generally buying geriatrics.

Claudius wrote:
ohboy!!! wrote:

Exactly, it really is not that difficult, Arsenal have made it seem impossible.

The key first step is, sell your players at top prices

The first step is shift some of Xhaka, Ozil, Mustafi and Mkhitaryan. And then see the magic happen. 

Nobody comes shopping for highly paid non-performing players.
It's no co-incidence that Lacazette is the only player attracting attention.
Those on your list are going to see out their contracts either on the pitch or on the golf course.

I think all except Ozil are movable, to be frank. We just have to lower the fees. And we have to suck it up. Some people might be appalled that we aren't going to get big fees for these players, but I would rather just get rid of them and their salary commitments and start with a clean slate as much as possible. They're anchors stalling our progress.

i don't know why some think these players are shiftable. they are relying on the player having personal pride and not wanting to hang around where they aren't wanted. but does ozil strike you as someone who has that kind of drive? he'll be happy to ride the bench and collect his paycheck if that's what it comes too. he'll play for you, but on his terms.

Straight swap Özil for Bale then. Worst case both clubs are still stuck with an overpaid flop, best case one or both of them finds their form again.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

Straight swap Özil for Bale then. Worst case both clubs are still stuck with an overpaid flop, best case one or both of them finds their form again.

[font=Source Sans Pro]That's nuts![/font]
[font=Source Sans Pro]Swap Ozil's 2 years (left) £350,000 per week for Bale's 3 year £600,000-a-week contract?[/font]

Not to mention, isn’t Bale’s agent still Barnett?

There is no way we will be dealing with him again.

I was, but for the record Bale's salary is absolutely not £600 000. It's about the same as Özil's.

flobaba wrote:

We complained loudly as fans when we began selling players last time though. Called ourselves a “selling” team.

Which is exactly why it is amusing that the club is being knocked for not selling well, whatever that means. Essentially when one of our players is at his peak, and is worth a premium, we should sell if there is interest. Those same people will moan that we are a selling club. You just can't win with some.

I don’t think anyone is saying that at all. What folks are saying is don’t let £150m worth of talent leave on a free.

People are allowed to change their minds, especially when the environment changes. I wanted us to hold onto Sanchez at all costs but that turned out to be an enormous mistake. In the meantime most clubs doing well with our profile sell when they have to and reinvest.

Yeah. It’s different now.
When people were angry that we were a selling club is when we were selling some of the best players in the league in Fabregas and van Persie with no direct replacement,.

Now I am very comfortable selling all of Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Mustafi and Xhaka to let the manager build a younger, more physical and dynamic squad. Those players are not taking us anywhere and two of them are on high wages with diminishing transfer value.

goon wrote:

I don’t think anyone is saying that at all. What folks are saying is don’t let £150m worth of talent leave on a free.

People are allowed to change their minds, especially when the environment changes. I wanted us to hold onto Sanchez at all costs but that turned out to be an enormous mistake. In the meantime most clubs doing well with our profile sell when they have to and reinvest.

It is easy to be wise after the event. Cashing in on £150m worth of talent would mean selling your best players when they are at the peak of their powers. It would mean accepting £50 million from Chelsea when they pursued Henry, or £60 million from Man City for Sanchez. Taking up such offers would undermine any ambitions we have for major honours.

The reality is that we are in a predicament. We have more money than Liverpool and Tottenham, so adopting a selling mentality is an inferior strategy best left for clubs without access to large capital, who require outgoings to fund acquisitions. On the other hand, we can't spend as much as Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea, so we are unable to add freely to an already bolstered squad.

Keeping our most valuable assets past their sell by date is perfectly fine. All big clubs do this. Where we have room for improvement is managing players who quite clearly aren't going to become major players for us, and turning them over to fund new recruits. If Mustafi had secured his move to Inter Milan after his first season at the club, we may already have an able replacement in his place, and wouldn't need to budget a chunk of our summer budget towards a new CB.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

I was, but for the record Bale's salary is absolutely not £600 000. It's about the same as Özil's.

Wrong and for you to repeat it makes you wrong twice.

If you quote Gareth Bale's after tax figure, do the same for Ozil even if it doesn't suit your agenda.
There is the small matter of tax that you seem to be ignoring.
Ozil earns 157,500 a week (after tax)
https://www.mileiq.com/en-gb/blog/2018-uk-income-tax-rates-brackets/
Bale earns 350,000 a week (after tax)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/30/gareth-bale-real-madrid-new-contract-2022