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Circus circa 2020

Klaus

Beto looks like the worst kind of candidate to me: A pointless reprobate who has made a career out of voting republican as a democrat (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main). He seems like the kind of person who gives liberals a bad name. And he looks like a 50 year old web developer.

arsedocmd

Prolly taken in by all the celebrity he got in the senate race. Expect lot more clownish moments if he continues not to employ political consultants. The announcement video from the living room with the wife sitting idly by was cringe itself.

Coombs

Beto is even more corporatist than Obama. Gotta shut him down fast. He's not going to be running against the most hated man in US politics this time (which he lost anyway).

goon

arsedoc md wrote:

Prolly taken in by all the celebrity he got in the senate race. Expect lot more clownish moments if he continues not to employ political consultants. The announcement video from the living room with the wife sitting idly by was cringe itself.

I don’t know if that sort of video is a common thing in US politics, but if not then it looks like he ripped the he idea off the Republican guy, Conway, from House of Cards. It was like watching a bad spoof from the image, mannerisms to using family as a prop.

Claudius

Klaus wrote:
Beto looks like the worst kind of candidate to me: A pointless reprobate who has made a career out of voting republican as a democrat (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/beto-orourke-congressional-votes-analysis-capital-and-main). He seems like the kind of person who gives liberals a bad name. And he looks like a 50 year old web developer.

A guy who stands for nothing. He better hope he lands on soft debate nights

arsedocmd

He stands on counters despite being 6'2 and the audience being seated. He is engaging and energetic though.

mags

Am impressed with Mayor Pete Buettig so far.
He and Warren lead the field for me at this time.
On verra.

arsedocmd

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

arsedocmd

And another one...Tim Ryan declares his candidacy. Welll past 16 now...for sure

Asterix

mags wrote:
Am impressed with Mayor Pete Buettig so far.
He and Warren lead the field for me at this time.
On verra.

I'm a massive fan of The West Wing, and am listening to a podcast called The West Wing Weekly. They have been going for a few years now and re-watch then discuss each episode of the show. It's hosted by Josh Malina, who was in The West Wing, and Hrishy Hirway (who hosted Song Exploder).

Aaanyway, they have interviewed Pete Buttigieg (pronounced Buttizhiezh interestingly - no hard "g"). He does seem like a very thoughtful, measured guy. He discusses the West Wing episode where Santos first starts campaigning in New Hampshire.

He seems to be raising decent funds too - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/07/cory-booker-fundraising-new-hampshire-pete-buttigieg

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/pete-buttigieg-fundraising-2020/index.html

arsedocmd

Joe Biden makes it 20.

Coombs

Buttigieg is awful. An upper-class, humble-bragging careerist with no legitimate policy proposals who pretends to be religious and attracts the wealthy with his value-based double-speak and his covert realism-by-way-of-moderation critiques of the more progressive challengers.

Can't stand him.

arsedocmd

He also walks just like Putin. The arms.

Rex

Problem is that the Democratic Party as a whole prefer mainstream candidates who aren't for any real change. Don't rock the boat candidates, because at the top the Democratic Party isn't all that interested in change.

I find it mind boggling that you can have hugely popular issues among the citizens of the USA such as Medicare for all, free college, gun restrictions - and yet it seems impossible to vote for a party which will implement these policies. There are only two parties ffs!

Qwiss

Because its private interests lining their pockets. Do you think they'd get paid a fortune to go and talk to a room full of Wall St cunts if they'd implemented policies that favour normal people over the interests of big business?

Rex

Well, that is the problem, yes. But the electorate for some reason keep electing the same type of candidates over and over. It shouldn't really be THAT hard to be elected in the US running on 'no corporate money', 'Medicare for all', 'free college', and 'gun restrictions'. In theory. Since a majority of the American population are actually FOR those things.
I get that you can run on those issues and then do nothing, or very little, but it IS astounding how many politicians who keep doing shit like that and still get re-elected time and time again.

jones

Is that really that special about the US? Sure American politics are especially reprehensible and blatant but people around the globe vote against their own interests, in the EU especially. Only reason it's not as bad here as it is there is historical achievements during the post war era, since the 70s at least it's one piece of shit conservative/faux progressive government fucking over the vast majority of the population after another. Whether its Thatcher or Blair, Chirac or Macron, Kohl or Schröder literally everyone of them has always backed and served the interests of industries and banks over that of the people.

Qwiss

Same problems and same reasons. At least in the US they have the excuse that its a closed 2 horse contest.

Asterix

Rex wrote:
Well, that is the problem, yes. But the electorate for some reason keep electing the same type of candidates over and over. It shouldn't really be THAT hard to be elected in the US running on 'no corporate money', 'Medicare for all', 'free college', and 'gun restrictions'. In theory. Since a majority of the American population are actually FOR those things.
I get that you can run on those issues and then do nothing, or very little, but it IS astounding how many politicians who keep doing shit like that and still get re-elected time and time again.

I wonder if it would be different if everyone had to vote? Would parties then feel more obliged to stand for the things that the majority support?

arsedocmd

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