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Circus circa 2020

Klaus

Yeah I think there's no doubt he'll fail at half of what he's going to attempt, but it's not just about getting everything done in 4 or 8 years - it's about laying the groundwork. The movement he's encouraged and the politics he champions will be built on by the next generation of progressives, and that's regardless of whether he even gets into the White House. There's nothing more important in politics than standing up for ideals that you know are good and true and will be to the benefit of the many, not the few.

Claudius

arsedoc md wrote:
Klobuchar out and endorses biden. At this point you have to respect the republicans a bit more who at least saw the populist support for trump and got behind him.

Are we re-writing history a bit here? Barely anybody wanted to work with Trump. Even his attack dog Lindsay Graham was denouncing him. The republican parry wanted Jeb or Rubio. Trump made the leadership go to Trump tower to grovel before him once he’d won the nomination. He dominated them like an animal in the wild. People started to fall in line once he was in power and realized that Fox News and his followers had a regulating effect that could be catastrophic to your political career

arsedocmd

Yea I guess you may be right. I just don't recall it being so coordinated like this. Just initial opposition to the obvious outsider candidate is all. And Trump was directly and personally stabbing each one of them too.

Gazza M

jones wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I agree Coombs. There's also the fact that the democrats in the house and the senate aren't voted in for life. Those people are up for election too, and if they don't fall in line with the administration they will get pushed out by more progressive candidates eventually.

Isn't it funny how it's always an issue for left leaning politicians that they won't manage to sway "moderate" elements, both in House and bipartisan, but never the other way round?

It might well be - even be likely - that Sanders would fail as a president. Even if he didn't I still see him as a flawed politician anyway. But this garbage strategy of watering down your policies to cater to the opposition whereas they punch a hole into yours full force every single time needs to stop. It never worked and will never work, other than to further diminish your own position by shifting towards the right election by election.

Donors tend to fund democrats that offer those watered down policies and status quo positions. Its part and parcel of the current political foodchain. Thats why those behaviors have become so rote in the Democratic party

Claudius

Democrats are tormented by fear it feels.
After Hillary, the electorate bias is to move towards a white man out of fear that other voters wouldn’t support an alternative candidate.
Meanwhile, the leadership will do anything to prevent a capitalism versus socialism clash in the general election, even if that headline is pure fearmongering .

jones

Gazza M wrote:
jones wrote:
Isn't it funny how it's always an issue for left leaning politicians that they won't manage to sway "moderate" elements, both in House and bipartisan, but never the other way round?

It might well be - even be likely - that Sanders would fail as a president. Even if he didn't I still see him as a flawed politician anyway. But this garbage strategy of watering down your policies to cater to the opposition whereas they punch a hole into yours full force every single time needs to stop. It never worked and will never work, other than to further diminish your own position by shifting towards the right election by election.

Donors tend to fund democrats that offer those watered down policies and status quo positions. Its part and parcel of the current political foodchain. Thats why those behaviors have become so rote in the Democratic party

I know but my question is why should anyone else adopt their lines when they're not part of that establishment.

MistaT

I don't think Democrats should be considering Hillary an "alternative candidate" simply because she's a women, and it's a shame if any does. Her policies are dead center (for the Dems, if not right) and as such she isn't an alternative candidate.

jones

Anyway back on topic ie the circus that is the US (and yes this is actually real)

arsedocmd

Biden/Hillary ticket. Enjoy.

Gazza M

centrists are really going to coalesce around biden. i mean, it was always the likeliest outcome as he has the name recognition, but i can see trump making short work of him. the discourse will likely centre around ukraine and burisma again. excitement fuel for voters, that

if bloomberg drops out and puts his funding behind joe, things will really get tasty between joe and bernie. it's already been something of a referendum on billionaires. this would bring that discussion into even sharper relief

Klaus

Really think Warren should drop out and endorse Sanders if she's got any progressive bones in her body. Imagine how loudly people would have been complaining right now if Bernie had finished 3rd, 4th, 4th and 5th before California and looked like he was about to lose his own home state.

Gazza M

Klaus wrote:
Really think Warren should drop out and endorse Sanders if she's got any progressive bones in her body. Imagine how loudly people would have been complaining right now if Bernie had finished 3rd, 4th, 4th and 5th before California and looked like he was about to lose his own home state.

they were already whispering that he should drop out in september/october 2019 to support warren. lord knows what they'd be saying if he'd posted warrens numbers in the first 4 states and stayed in the race

flobaba

She’s portraying herself as the moderate progressive. The compromise option.

She’ll be crushed by the patriarchy though.

flobaba

Wow. Chris Matthews just retired

flobaba

Poor guy.

Bernie finally drove him crazy

Klaus

Think it probably had more to to with the sexual harrassment accusations flying around. MSNBC don't seem to have any issues with referring to jewish people as nazis and viruses.

Klaus

One of the best things with American elections is that you get so many shithouse liberal takes like this:

Burnwinter

Come at him? I wouldn't go near him.

arsedocmd

That's how machos that go by the name "Chuck" talk. We wouldn't know.

flobaba

Lol. Kornacki acting like someone died

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