Genuinely can't wait for MSNBC to have a collective heart attack when that happens. Horrible creatures they are.

Sanders' lead over Buttegieg is getting a lot narrower as counting continues.

most major outlets calling NH for bernie. probably not the 30 point+ win he would have hoped for, and i'm sure the media will focus in on this as a sign of weakeness

klobuchar overperformed by a huge margin, and might have quietly prevented buttigieg from winning this

warren ironically has been bigging up klobuchar since that debate where she said only the female candidates had a 100% election record. might've backfired

im really sad about whats happened to warren

Burnwinter wrote:

Nearly every major outlet reports Sanders as the winner now, some more begrudgingly than others. The odds on James Carville showing up on tv again tomorrow and looking like a dry elbow while shouting something incoherent about how young people are spoiled and always walk on the grass?

This thread summarises Chris Matthews' insane rant. At one point snot started pouring out of one nostril because he was so mad.

Edit: full clip:

I watched THE WAR ROOM (old Pennebaker and Hegedus documentary from the 1992 Clinton campaign) the other night. Well worth checking out for the manic presence of James Carville and the sense that everything has changed, but nothing has changed in US politics.

the war room was fascinating. carville definitely had a magnetic presence, but nowadays seems embittered that someone like sanders is gaining traction and that the clintonian heritage is being rejected by voters. the centre-left approach isn't striking the right note like it did with obama, who was centre-left with a populist sheen that put him over the top. i don't see much introspection or nuanced response to sanders from the clinton/obama style democrats, they just seem angry at the repudiation of their politics and are lashing out. new media has changed politics and the ability to control narratives through mainstream channels isn't what it used to be

Let’s see what the Perez/Clinton/Biden faction does to deter Bernie.
I just hope that Dem voters see through Buddegieg’s thin veneer on some issues.
And wonder whether the anti B faction will get behind Amy or Pete., if it comes down to that.
Warren may rebound. A lot of primaries to get through.

Gazza M wrote:

the war room was fascinating. carville definitely had a magnetic presence, but nowadays seems embittered that someone like sanders is gaining traction and that the clintonian heritage is being rejected by voters.

He's seemingly clueless as to why it's being rejected too. You will never get this point across to corporate media I suspect, and even less so someone like Carville who has a republican wife with whom he runs a consulting firm that is literally named Gaslight Inc (I mean, seriously), but the bottom line is that the party divide is not over ideology, but how much people have in their bank accounts.

I suspect the main takeaway from this election is going to be that people genuinely don't give a shit about the communist smear that MSNBC and the Democratic Leadership Countil are trying to defame Bernie with. They care about things like not having to die just because they get sick, about being paid a living wage for working full hours, and about being able to put their kids through school. They don't want to die from the effects of climate change.

If this out-of-control brand of capitalism that Carville loves so dearly actually worked for most people then Hillary would be about to start her second term. But very few who make money off a broken system will ever concede that it doesn't work. Case in point: Carville's own net worth is north of $10 million. 99 percent of the population is never going to see that much money in their lives. They could pool together everything they've earned, everything their parents and grandparents earned, and everything their own children will earn, and they'll still never be close. People like Carville lose when you bring tax rates back in line with the rest of the industrialised world, just like Kanye West loses. People think it's crazy that Kanye turns up with a MAGA hat to his shows, but Trump has saved the Kardashians and their families a solid billion or so that the government would otherwise have taken back and put into wellfare programs.

And that's the real reason you've got Carville standing next to Michael Bennet in New Hampshire, looking like a scab that is about to fall off a bruised knee, and screaming about the devil and holy water. He claims he's 'scared to death' about losing the election, but at the same time he's backing a no-name oligarch who's literally polling at less than one percent. He's just a terrible human, and he has realised that time is running out for him.

Bernie should get a decent bump from Yang's supporters. Hard to imagine them jumping over to Biden, Buttigieg, or Warren.

yeah i think yang gang skews younger, and most will opt for bernie

there had been an assumption that the bulk of warrens supporters would back bernie once she drops out, being the other progressive candidate. however her language/positioning in the last few months makes me think buttigieg and klobuchar may get the lions share. she seems to have fallen into a valley of not being progressive enough for progressives, and not being moderate enough for moderates

Polling must be one of the most infuriating practices to come out of survey capitalism.

The practice intensifying of reporting the "live results" from each state is equally painful. The networks have used the entire run of hours up until Sanders' popular vote victories in both Iowa and New Hampshire to push all kinds of contradictory narratives.

How is this piece of shit considered anything but strictly right wing?

What a shameless prick - has any of this been brought up against him in debates? If not what a collective failure.

Many won’t care for black relations, but his responses on free tuition are just laughable. The Manchurian candidate is not an an option. Unless you’re swayed by MSM telling you that you need a White man who’s ideas won’t infuriate Republicans.

How many languages do you speak? How many people did you kill in Afghanistan? How many lights have you installed under bridges for your city?

These are his qualifications people, and he is a bright boy by all accounts.