You think teams will try to get throw-ins in their own half? Doesn't sound like a good strategy.

I don’t like the kick in idea either, even if I agree with the principle. Seems like it will cause other problems and I don’t really see how it solves the possession issue.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

You think teams will try to get throw-ins in their own half? Doesn't sound like a good strategy.

Well when a team is desperate for a goal, a freekick in the middle of the pitch is an excuse to send everyone up.

I don't care either way about the kick-in suggestion, but in no way do I think that if a team needs a goal while in their own half they will try to kick it ouf of the field via an opposition player instead of trying to attack.

I'm not saying teams will try to kick out of field, I'm saying it gives teams the opportunity to use this "throw in" situation to their advantage now as a free kick for which they can lump it into the box if it was late in the game, whereas previously that would simply be a throw in and the onus would remain on the attacking team to create a situation to score from.

you do realise the kick in idea only applies in your own half right?

Yeah literally like goal kicks or long balls. Easily defendable.

Depends on if they change the throw-in offside rule too

jones wrote:

Depends on if they change the throw-in offside rule too

Exactly. A long ball is a totally different prospect without the offside rule. Its an easy and obvious fix there though. But then do you lose the offside for actual throw ins?

Anyway I think if it goes through it should be called the Clichy Rule because Wenger obviously came up with this while watching Clichy give the ball away every time we had a throw in.

Qwiss! wrote:

jones wrote:

Depends on if they change the throw-in offside rule too

Exactly. A long ball is a totally different prospect without the offside rule. Its an easy and obvious fix there though. But then do you lose the offside for actual throw ins?

Anyway I think if it goes through it should be called the Clichy Rule because Wenger obviously came up with this while watching Clichy give the ball away every time we had a throw in.

Which has continued ever since Qwiss. Maybe a better name would be the Arsenal Rule. We have some very poor throw in takers and defenders. We don't put any pressure on the opposition when they take theirs, and we take too long to take ours that we get crowded out. It's a coaching thing we need to (maybe already started to) look at.

What about Tiernys long throw at the weekend. That was a departure.

Tierney is a departure.

Anyway, the offside rule is the only one I care about, that'd be really exciting. Even if PL continues judging on millimeters it wouldn't feel as unfair with the new rule since attackers would already have an advantage to begin with so giving the defenders the benefit of the doubt would be fine.

Qwiss! wrote:

What about Tiernys long throw at the weekend. That was a departure.

Yeah, what Quincy said. Tierney is a departure from everything we've had at LB for many, many years.

Makes you forget Santos, Clichy and Gibbs. Gibbs lasted more than a season at Arsenal, guys. Just chew on that.

Gibbo was a good player, just not good enough for us.

for Wenger's ideas:
Offside: As long as any part of your body is onside you will be onside; advantage for attackers
They'll just use the crazy measuring stick to measure for onsides instead (his pinky was onside!). The problem is not the offside rule but the crazy measuring stick. Just force VAR to not be able to use it.

Corners: Outswinging corners the goes out of play and come back in will be deemed valid.
Gave it some thought and I think this will be abused. A total in-swinger is a huge advantage to the attacker, so much easier to head towards goal.

Throw Ins: Throw-ins that happen in your own half will be kick ins instead.
This is ridiculous tbh though I understand the sentiment. Throw ins take way too long. Not sure if kick-ins will improve the speed by so much though.

Freekick: You can play take a freekick to yourself.
Set plays adds interesting variety to the game. My initial reaction is that this change is daft, but perhaps the fact that you can take the fk the normal way anyway makes it perfectly fine.

Gibbo is a good player for the championship. Looks out of depth again when he comes back to PL with WBA

banduan wrote:

Gibbo was a good player, just not good enough for us.

for Wenger's ideas:
Offside: As long as any part of your body is onside you will be onside; advantage for attackers
They'll just use the crazy measuring stick to measure for onsides instead (his pinky was onside!). The problem is not the offside rule but the crazy measuring stick. Just force VAR to not be able to use it.

But that's where Quincy's point comes into force, since the rules already favour the attacking team you won't mind if the enforcement on the day may favour the defender.

The thing I have never understood about offside measurement is that surely, in this day and age, it can't be that difficult to fit each player with a tracker that shows where they are on the pitch and then it's a simple question of subtracting one co-ordinate from another? The cost can't be more than a $100k per year or something even assuming some of these things get broken / useless. I suspect VAR costs more than that.

By the way if anyone is interested this is the reasoning for this kick in rules in the own half.

I would also like to change the throw-in rule: five minutes before the end, a throw-in for you should be an advantage, but in these situations you are facing 10 outfield players in play, whilst you only have 9. Stats show that in 8 out of 10 of those throw-in situations, you lose the ball. In your half of the pitch, you should have the possibility to take a kick instead.”