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Claudius

He won the treble. And the question was inappropriate.

Hopefully, the authorities come down hard on City though.

Ricky1985

You honestly thinking winning a tin pot cup in the form of the Carabao Cup instead of the Champions League gives any one the right to claim any kind of parity between United's treble and this one?

It's A treble, as in it's 3 trophies: Like Liverpool's haul in 2001, but it's not THE treble.

Everone knows what that is and how hard it is to pull off. It's an equivocation to say otherwise.

As for the question: If you cheat and lie don't complain if you get called out when you get caught.

MuswellHillGooner

Claudius wrote:
He won the treble. And the question was inappropriate.

Hopefully, the authorities come down hard on City though.

[font=Source Sans Pro]I disagree.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]It is the most relevant question as the accusation of cheating relates to their winning and any neutral journalist who didn't ask that question could conceivably be accused of abdicating their duties.[/font]
[font=Source Sans Pro]They can have a love-in with their own journalists on abu dhabi city tv later on.[/font]

Claudius

Every TV station is covering it as it as a historic domestic treble. Nobody is comparing it to the United Champions League treble. The League Cup is on every year, and certain serious managers like Guardiola and Mourinho compete hard for it because they see it as important for morale and conditioning.

As for the questioning, Guardiola was being asked specific questions about a prior manager. He is not in a position to answer these. Really is a waste of a question. I know that the journalists fear that this the last time for 3 months that they will have a large public forum in which they can get City to address these allegations, but they got it wrong. The people in a position to answer this are the previous manager and the owners. If they want to ask, maybe they should ask how he plans to compete with the specter of coming sanctions, etc.

Let’s see how the investigation unfolds. Hopefully the FA does its bloody job and levies the appropriate sanctions.

Ricky1985

Claudius wrote:
Every TV station is covering it as it as a historic domestic treble. Nobody is comparing it to the United Champions League treble. The League Cup is on every year, and certain serious managers like Guardiola and Mourinho compete hard for it because they see it as important for morale and conditioning.

As for the questioning, Guardiola was being asked specific questions about a prior manager. He is not in a position to answer these. Really is a waste of a question. I know that the journalists fear that this the last time for 3 months that they will have a large public forum in which they can get City to address these allegations, but they got it wrong. The people in a position to answer this are the previous manager and the owners. If they want to ask, maybe they should ask how he plans to compete with the specter of coming sanctions, etc.

Let’s see how the investigation unfolds. Hopefully the FA does its bloody job and levies the appropriate sanctions.

Right, but it is not THE treble. That's a much more difficult achievement and should be regarded as such. If muppets on TV want to refer to it as "a historic (yawn) domestic treble" to try and big up the tin pot cup and it's slightly more prestigious cousin then I have no problem with that. Just don't call it the treble because it ain't.

On their cheating: Guardiola is the face of a corrupt organisation and has to face the music when irregularities are discovered and made public, just as he is the guy that receives all the credit when they win trophies.

QuincyAbeyie

Ricky1985 wrote:
Claudius wrote:
Every TV station is covering it as it as a historic domestic treble. Nobody is comparing it to the United Champions League treble. The League Cup is on every year, and certain serious managers like Guardiola and Mourinho compete hard for it because they see it as important for morale and conditioning.

As for the questioning, Guardiola was being asked specific questions about a prior manager. He is not in a position to answer these. Really is a waste of a question. I know that the journalists fear that this the last time for 3 months that they will have a large public forum in which they can get City to address these allegations, but they got it wrong. The people in a position to answer this are the previous manager and the owners. If they want to ask, maybe they should ask how he plans to compete with the specter of coming sanctions, etc.

Let’s see how the investigation unfolds. Hopefully the FA does its bloody job and levies the appropriate sanctions.

Right, but it is not THE treble. That's a much more difficult achievement and should be regarded as such. If muppets on TV want to refer to it as "a historic (yawn) domestic treble" to try and big up the tin pot cup and it's slightly more prestigious cousin then I have no problem with that. Just don't call it the treble because it ain't.

Is winning the league and the FA Cup "the double" even though the league and the CL would be much more prestigious?

Ricky1985

I don't see the relevance of the question?

It's obviously a much greater achievement to win the Premier League and Champions League than the former and the FA Cup. In this case the term "the double" does not carry the same weight as the term "the treble" because the FA Cup is by some distance the least important of the three trophies.

"The double," however, does refer to something specific, even if it's not exactly an uncommon achievement in England (unlike "the treble"). So it should be reserved for a team winning the League and FA Cup only.

Winning "the treble" is, and has always been, a case where a team wins the League, the Champions League and the FA Cup. That is what it means. It is so prestigious because it has only happened once in England (to the best of my knowledge) and is rare even across the whole of Europe, and because it includes winning the only two trophies that matter to the clubs at the top end of football.

Claudius

Like I said, media are covering it as a domestic treble. Not a single one has compared it to United. After amassing 198 points in consecutive seasons, from a sporting perspective, this City team is one of the greatest ever. Belittling their achievements sounds sour.

Ricky1985

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Belittling their achievement? I simply objected to the fact that Guardiola (and subsequently, you) referred to the three trophies City had won as "the treble."

It is not accurate, and does not afford the respect that winning "the treble" warrants.

QuincyAbeyie

I obviously agree that winning CL, the league and the FA Cup is much more impressive than winning the league, the FA Cup and the Mickey Mouse cup. I don't even think I would've been ectatic to win the latter even during our trophyless years.

I just think the same logic applies to the league and the CL vs. the league and the FA Cup, which is why I asked the question.

Clrnc

Imagine when we win the domestic treble one day and Ricky being angry that people says we won the treble.

Big Willie

No need to worry about that happening any time soon Clrnc.

Ricky1985

Nope. And it still wouldn't be THE treble anyway. 🙂

16 year old, Karamoko Dembele made his debut for Celtic today. One to keep an eye on for sure.

Claudius

We’ll all own that treble, Clrnc. Uber Cup or whatever it’s called then will definitely be an integral part of our treble.

flobaba

That Dembele kid certainly looks prodigious Ricky

16 though. That’s young. At what stage does this become child exploitation?

Claudius

Saw the news earlier and didn’t pay much attention. Watching the video and seeing how easily he creates chances for himself and gets solid shots off is a reminder of how lacking we are at wide forward. That this imp can look so much more dangerous than our wide forwards is an indictment

QuincyAbeyie

flobaba wrote:
16 though. That’s young. At what stage does this become child exploitation?

I don't know how this works, really. Fabregas was 16 when he joined us. Ødegaard was 16 when he traveled to all the top clubs in Europe, including us, and then chose between them.

MuswellHillGooner

I remember hype videos of Dembele and Ødegaard when they were much younger so it's great to see them both start breaking through.

Of course the best thing for Dembele is not to make the same mistake as Ødegaard by joining a big club too early.

PS Apologies for the music in that video!

arsedocmd

Ricky1985 wrote:
Guardiola, from the Guardian article:

"Honestly, do you think I deserve to have this type of question, the day we won the treble?”

Yes, you're part of an organisation that lies and cheats so you deserve the question, and, no, it's not the treble.

😆 he's so indignant in the video 😆 the clown. "On the day I won Da treble" lol

flobaba

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
flobaba wrote:
16 though. That’s young. At what stage does this become child exploitation?

I don't know how this works, really. Fabregas was 16 when he joined us. Ødegaard was 16 when he traveled to all the top clubs in Europe, including us, and then chose between them.

Yeah, I know. I’m just wondering. Back in those days I never really thought about it, but I guess as you grow older your perspective changes. The kid looks like he’s barely wiped the milk off his nose. I hope clubs have good support structures in place for them all.

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