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Group E (Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia)

flobaba

arsedoc md wrote:
Klaus wrote:
People seem surprised that he still has an engine,

prolly cos people are in their mid thirties and have lost their engines.

Indeed. It’s a huge gamble. American broadcasters here talk about “the cliff” when it comes to athletes - it’s the exception who get better with age once you’re past, say, 32. That’s why Brady and LeBron are looked upon with awe. I’m just hoping Licht has at least a full year still in the tank, and the pace of the premiership doesn’t do him in. Looking forward to seeing how he adapts

Jed

goon wrote:
Brazil’s centre mids are insanely boring, including the ones on the bench. In fact their entire team is boring bar Neymar, Coutinho and Marcelo, and the latter seems to have a much more reserved role for the NT. Yawn.

Agreed. Would've thought they'd give someone like Fred a go in there. He can bring a bit of dynamism and creativity.

arsedocmd

goon wrote:
Brazil’s centre mids are insanely boring, including the ones on the bench. In fact their entire team is boring bar Neymar, Coutinho and Marcelo, and the latter seems to have a much more reserved role for the NT. Yawn.

Is there any other team that has 3 similarly exciting individuals?
Think Brazil are creating the most chances of any team despite being 'boring' by their standards.

banduan

Clrnc wrote:
Klaus wrote:
He's a £100 million talent but not a £100 million player.

At most 40m worth to be honest for someone of his skillset.

Nah more like 42.5m

Claudius

arsedoc md wrote:
goon wrote:
Brazil’s centre mids are insanely boring, including the ones on the bench. In fact their entire team is boring bar Neymar, Coutinho and Marcelo, and the latter seems to have a much more reserved role for the NT. Yawn.

Is there any other team that has 3 similarly exciting individuals?
Think Brazil are creating the most chances of any team despite being 'boring' by their standards.

I would add baby Jesus to that group. He shows it in flashes. Ask Xhaka. I think Brazilians will happily take boring though if it comes with a cup. They had an insanely exciting team just over a decade ago with Adriano, Gaucho, Kaka and Ronaldo as part of a magic quartet that promised to dominate the game.

arsedocmd

Really? Will they? I thought Brazilians like winning in style more than anyone. Dunga's 94 team seems to have been not very loved. I remember Gene Hackman's team getting some heat because of the Mourinho style grinds.

Klaus

banduan wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
At most 40m worth to be honest for someone of his skillset.

Nah more like 42.5m

These valuations are confusing. Can we convert to Michus instead?

Klaus

Claudius wrote:
arsedoc md wrote:
Is there any other team that has 3 similarly exciting individuals?
Think Brazil are creating the most chances of any team despite being 'boring' by their standards.

I would add baby Jesus to that group. He shows it in flashes. Ask Xhaka.

Agreed Claude. I think he's having a better World Cup than he's being given credit for. Above all he works really hard and moves well even if the goals aren't coming at the moment. Those two features are virtually all that Firminho has to offer, which makes me unsure why people are calling for Gabriel to be benched... Firminho has scored one goal in his last twelve games for Brazil. Jesus was their top scorer and top assister during the qualifying phase. Tite made the right choice going into the tournament.

Claudius

Is this Neymar or Coutinho’s team at this World Cup?

Also, if he hadn’t become a football star, wouldn’t Neymar have made a great extra in b-grade action flicks? Imagine him being shot or stabbed, and then spending the next ten minutes rolling around in the background in agony as he succumbs to his wounds. I’d pay for that.

Tam

Klaus wrote:
banduan wrote:
Nah more like 42.5m

These valuations are confusing. Can we convert to Michus instead?

£40,000,001

Kel Varnsen

Neymar is a joke. Talented player, but a cheating diver. He's also clearly bought into his own hype, and tries all these meaningless technical flashy plays that leads nowhere, and are in fact ineffective and time wasting.

Ricky1985

I genuinely think Neymar has lost a yard of pace as well. He's only 26 but he's been playing men's football for 10 years now. Doesn't look the same player he did 2 years ago.

Klaus

He's definitely missing something at the moment. He was coming off a three-month ankle injury going into the tournament though, and he limped off in training the other week. I think that's the reason. He didn't look slower to me at PSG.

Ricky1985

I thought the same throughout last season to be honest. He does look less fluid and balanced here though, which is a sure sign he's not properly fit.

Bold Tone

Neymar and the whole Brazil attack has been rubbish.
Coutinho's goal is the only bright spot as the rest of his play is average at best.
I cannot see them going much further than the QFs.
Apparently Gabriel Jesus' stats are worse than Fred's from the last world cup. :gape:
https://veja.abril.com.br/placar/na-era-moderna-das-copas-so-jesus-nao-fez-gol-pelo-brasil-na-1a-fase/

goon

Gariel Jesus seems massively overrated to me. If nothing else he's an incredibly dull striker.

Coombs

Feels like they're all better technical players in their club lives, which makes no sense really. The ball was bouncing two yards off the Brazilians with just about every touch, no close dribbling, just kick and run. Must be mental.

Bold Tone

Yup. I just cannot understand it.
It's been the same with the Argentinian and German players but not the Colombians or Portuguese.
Even the Spanish, Isco apart, haven't looked their normal selves so i cannot blame it on injuries.
I'm baffled.

Jed

goon wrote:
Gariel Jesus seems massively overrated to me. If nothing else he's an incredibly dull striker.

A flashier Chicharito.

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