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The new guy - Wengs replacement

Qwiss

Tam wrote:
I don’t think Vieira has a real affinity for the club, certainly not in the way some seem to think he does. If he takes the job, he takes it for the benefit of Patrick Vieira, not Arsenal Football Club.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but if he wasn’t an ex Arsenal player, no one would be in favour of an inexperienced coach that has chosen to carve his way by having a crack at the MLS.

Does Arteta love Arsenal? Would he stick with us if a bigger club came knocking? I don't think there is much difference there really. If you want love pick Thierry. If you want a nice guy with nice hair pick Arteta. And if you want an ex-player with an iota of experience (and lets be honest thats all it is) go with Vieira.

None of them have earned it as managers or coaches yet though.

Qwiss

speedy wrote:
I read on twitter (dont shoot me) that he wasnt that popular as a player. Which I would imagine is true. Eboue was proabbly very popular as a player. Arteta is more the boring benitez type, not many friends.

There was a time when Vermaelen was captain where all the young players talked about how great Arteta was and what a great leader he is, etc I certainly don't think he's unpopular. I even think someone mistakenly called him the captain in an interview.

Burnwinter

If Henry were serious about management he'd already be doing it. Love him but he's a gracious dilettante post-football.

Qwiss

He's an international assistant manager.

USArsenal

Mirth wrote:
Tbf why would Tony Adams, Dennis Bergkamp or Ian Wright ever listen to Arsene Wenger?

because he had at least achieved something as a manager.. (Ligue 1 and French Cup and a couple cups with Nagoya)..

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
He's an international assistant manager.

Full time pundit, part time international assistant damn if you put it this way he sounds like Gary Neville Mk2. No fucking thanks

goon

USArsenal wrote:
Mirth wrote:
Tbf why would Tony Adams, Dennis Bergkamp or Ian Wright ever listen to Arsene Wenger?

because he had at least achieved something as a manager.. (Ligue 1 and French Cup and a couple cups with Nagoya)..

By their own admission they all thought who the fuck is this guy? They thought his methods were sounded mental too.

Ultimately if things work then everyone is happy, if things don’t then even the most respected manager out there is in trouble.

Tam

Qwiss! wrote:
Tam wrote:
I don’t think Vieira has a real affinity for the club, certainly not in the way some seem to think he does. If he takes the job, he takes it for the benefit of Patrick Vieira, not Arsenal Football Club.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but if he wasn’t an ex Arsenal player, no one would be in favour of an inexperienced coach that has chosen to carve his way by having a crack at the MLS.

Does Arteta love Arsenal? Would he stick with us if a bigger club came knocking? I don't think there is much difference there really. If you want love pick Thierry. If you want a nice guy with nice hair pick Arteta. And if you want an ex-player with an iota of experience (and lets be honest thats all it is) go with Vieira.

None of them have earned it as managers or coaches yet though.

I didn't mean to imply that I wanted someone with an attachment for the club, on the contrary, I think that aspect is a lot of nonsense for the most part. My post was mainly in response to Jed.

Agree with your second point, I don't want Vieira or Arteta, I want someone more experienced and proven at the top level.

Burnwinter

Qwiss! wrote:
He's an international assistant manager.

Come on though.

Qwiss

Burnwinter wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
He's an international assistant manager.

Come on though.

Oh its fuck all. But so is one year of assistant manager at Man City. Arteta is less qualified for the job than Steve Bould. And all we can judge them against each other on is the success of the managers they worked under. Its not like Arteta turned Pep into a success or Bould had any effect on Wenger.

Burnwinter

Yeah it's all true. But I just don't get the vibe off Henry.

Ricky1985

I have read in a few places that Arteta is not Guardiola's assistant at all. He has a number of "assistant coaches", and one in particular that is his right hand man, but the title doesn't mean what it does at Arsenal or at most clubs in England. Reportedly, Arteta's role is first and foremost that of a video analyst. He improves the games of City players by spotting things for them to work on and finds tactical weakness in upcoming opponents.

That's not to say, if true, he isn't important and that he couldn't immediately be a good coach, but 1) he is categorically not Guardiola's assistant in the way that Steve McLaren was to Ferguson or Pat Rice and Steve Bould were to Wenger and 2) Guardiola's words about Arteta and his influence have to be taken with a large pinch of salt because old Pep has a long history of hyperbole.

DiabyKungFu

Ricky1985 wrote:
I have read in a few places that Arteta is not Guardiola's assistant at all. He has a number of "assistant coaches", and one in particular that is his right hand man, but the title doesn't mean what it does at Arsenal or at most clubs in England. Reportedly, Arteta's role is first and foremost that of a video analyst. He improves the games of City players by sporting things for them to work on and finds tactical weakness in upcoming opponents.

That is literally exactly what we need.

QuincyAbeyie

There are some rumours that Ancelotti will be joining Napoli. Wonder where Sarri will go.

DiabyKungFu

More concretely, as a player, Arteta alluded to the fact that, as a manager, he would want his team to play with attacking width and structure and try to keep the game inside the opponent's half (ala the Cruyff-Guardiola philosophy). Personally, I think that's tactically where the top level of the game is headed and Arteta is the only candidate that fits that bill. That's mostly why I'd be excited about his appointment. The biggest issue is that our playing squad is uniquely constructed not to play that way. I'd worry about how we would manage that.

jones

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
There are some rumours that Ancelotti will be joining Napoli. Wonder where Sarri will go.

Chelsea are the only team who have been linked in recent months. De Laurentiis has already started laying into Sarri in recent weeks so it seems their time together is coming to a close.

Don't think he'd be an immediate success there, Chelsea's squad is so shit and lopsided it's breathtaking how they got into that situation with all their money. For one who pleads poverty all day Conte sure has made a bunch of bullshit signings

Qwiss

Diaby KungFu wrote:
More concretely, as a player, Arteta alluded to the fact that, as a manager, he would want his team to play with attacking width and structure and try to keep the game inside the opponent's half (ala the Cruyff-Guardiola philosophy). Personally, I think that's tactically where the top level of the game is headed and Arteta is the only candidate that fits that bill. That's mostly why I'd be excited about his appointment. The biggest issue is that our playing squad is uniquely constructed not to play that way. I'd worry about how we would manage that.

Wanting to play a certain way and implementing it are different things though. What happens if Arteta tries it and it doesn't work the way he hoped? Managers need to be adaptable and every pundit, player and bloke down the pub can talk about playing with width and structure and having the players fully committed. Its getting that to actually happen that makes you a good manager or not.

DiabyKungFu

Qwiss! wrote:
Diaby KungFu wrote:
More concretely, as a player, Arteta alluded to the fact that, as a manager, he would want his team to play with attacking width and structure and try to keep the game inside the opponent's half (ala the Cruyff-Guardiola philosophy). Personally, I think that's tactically where the top level of the game is headed and Arteta is the only candidate that fits that bill. That's mostly why I'd be excited about his appointment. The biggest issue is that our playing squad is uniquely constructed not to play that way. I'd worry about how we would manage that.

Wanting to play a certain way and implementing it are different things though. What happens if Arteta tries it and it doesn't work the way he hoped? Managers need to be adaptable and every pundit, player and bloke down the pub can talk about playing with width and structure and having the players fully committed. Its getting that to actually happen that makes you a good manager or not.

I think the fact that he's worked side-by-side with Guardiola makes him unusually credible.

USArsenal

jones wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
There are some rumours that Ancelotti will be joining Napoli. Wonder where Sarri will go.

Don't think he'd be an immediate success there, Chelsea's squad is so shit and lopsided it's breathtaking how they got into that situation with all their money. For one who pleads poverty all day Conte sure has made a bunch of bullshit signings

anyone that claims poverty while managing Chelsea is clearly deflecting. If Chelsea are known for something, it's the exorbitant amount of money they can spend

QuincyAbeyie

I absolutely think Arteta has the brains, but I don't know if he has enough authority. If we have a bad start, will the players still believe in him to right the ship?

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