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The new guy - Wengs replacement

Bold Tone

I would agree with you if we had the ingredients for instant success which i don't think we have.
Wenger has not assembled a good enough squad. It's shallow in talent, unbalanced and lacking in many areas so requires new signings to gel before they will be able to compete with the likes of manu, pool, the spuds and the chavs for top 4 status. They would have to develop even more to beat Guardiola's city for the Premiership and this will take time that a younger manager is more likely to accept.
There are also financial considerations as a proven manager like Allegri, (my first choice), is already at a big team so would cost a lot more plus we may have to buy out his contract and pay compensation if he doesn't resign.

speedy

It's not the squad it's the backroom staff. Real will have the smartest and best attacking coaches, skilles coaches, defensive coaches, fitness guys, exercise physiologist, psychologist, nutritionists. And tactics guys. Doctors, physios etc.

The managers main job is managing the timetable. So how long the team works with the attacking coaches or defensive coaches or tatics and the assistant manager over sees that plan. Secondly every player in those squads is lucky to be there. Rather than here where the better player feel like they're to good for the team. Which has been causing dressing room problems pretty much since the move.

It would be hard to mess things up at real or Barca. While things are much less settled here.

Bold Tone

You serious?
So many holes in your argument,it's hard to know where to start.
You cannot be seriously comparing the quality of our players to those of RM and your expectation of backroom is beyond belief.
I accept Backroom staff can improve us a bit but they cannot

Make Ospina grow 5 inches.
Reverse Father Time for Cech and a few others.
Repair Koscielny, Wilshere, Cazorla.
Give Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere pace
...

I could go on and on but you get the picture and i do not think they were the most incompetent segment of the Wenger regime.
For me the scouts were shocking and that's not surprising when you find out who they were.

Gilles Grimandi
Danny Karbassayoon
Luis Boa Morte

lorddulaarsenal

Biggest net improvement for us will come with splurging on top class centrebacks

Anzac

Despite it's many obvious limitations this disjoint squad managed to reach a domestic Cup Final as well as the Europa S/F. Our Home league form was 2nd only to MC in terms of points and goals.

Yes we need upgrades in GK, Defence and Midfield, but for me the more practical approach would be to identify a formation and style that best suits the squad & club resources, and to then ensure that the spine of the team & core of the squad are fit for purpose to be able to execute the strategy.

As such the biggest question for me is will the current players be able to adapt as The Legendary Back 4/5 did when AW arrived?

IMO we should replicate the strategy of this season so as to prioritise the league to regain top4, and to play the squad and development players in the Cups and Europa until we reach the latter stages again. I care nothing for squad depth beyond the match day 18 until we do regain top4/CL status, but I also believe that we can do so next season.

speedy

Bold Tone wrote:
You serious?
So many holes in your argument,it's hard to know where to start.
You cannot be seriously comparing the quality of our players to those of RM and your expectation of backroom is beyond belief.
I accept Backroom staff can improve us a bit but they cannot

Make Ospina grow 5 inches.

Reverse Father Time for Cech and a few others.

Repair Koscielny, Wilshere, Cazorla.

Give Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere pace

...

I could go on and on but you get the picture and i do not think they were the most incompetent segment of the Wenger regime.
For me the scouts were shocking and that's not surprising when you find out who they were.

Gilles Grimandi

Danny Karbassayoon

Luis Boa Morte

I was agreeing with you, I'm not sure what you thought I was getting at. What I was saying is other clubs have a very solid structure. Reals coaches all probably have 10-15 years experience minimum. So if the manager is a little inexperienced it's not as big an issue. The backroom staff will somewhat make up for it.

And that's exactly what back room staff do. Mangers oversee. That's why players often say "the manager never spoke to me". I've worked at top clubs been at training day in day out. That's what happens. Wenger is very hands on but he's not running around with cones in his hands and a whistle in his mouth.

Here our backroom staff is having a major shake up and it'll be up to the manager to evaluate those new staff and how competent they are. While someone like arteta maybe isn't the best to do that.

Anzac

speedy wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:
You serious?
So many holes in your argument,it's hard to know where to start.
You cannot be seriously comparing the quality of our players to those of RM and your expectation of backroom is beyond belief.
I accept Backroom staff can improve us a bit but they cannot

Make Ospina grow 5 inches.

Reverse Father Time for Cech and a few others.

Repair Koscielny, Wilshere, Cazorla.

Give Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere pace

...

I could go on and on but you get the picture and i do not think they were the most incompetent segment of the Wenger regime.
For me the scouts were shocking and that's not surprising when you find out who they were.

Gilles Grimandi

Danny Karbassayoon

Luis Boa Morte

I was agreeing with you, I'm not sure what you thought I was getting at. What I was saying is other clubs have a very solid structure. Reals coaches all probably have 10-15 years experience minimum. So if the manager is a little inexperienced it's not as big an issue. The backroom staff will somewhat make up for it.

And that's exactly what back room staff do. Mangers oversee. That's why players often say "the manager never spoke to me". I've worked at top clubs been at training day in day out. That's what happens. Wenger is very hands on but he's not running around with cones in his hands and a whistle in his mouth.

Here our backroom staff is having a major shake up and it'll be up to the manager to evaluate those new staff and how competent they are. While someone like arteta maybe isn't the best to do that.

This is possibly my biggest concern with any potential inexperienced appointment that is new to the role, whilst our new structure is still bedding in = the blind leading the blind perhaps.

Until the new structure is bedded in I want a manager who has experience in the role who can stand on their own 2 feet if needs be. We cannot let this become a house of cards on or off the pitch.

I'd also love to see someone who was passionate on the touchline so as to reconnect with the supporters & Nagelsmann seems to have that passion and shares it with the players and supporters.

Bold Tone

speedy wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:
You serious?
So many holes in your argument,it's hard to know where to start.
You cannot be seriously comparing the quality of our players to those of RM and your expectation of backroom is beyond belief.
I accept Backroom staff can improve us a bit but they cannot

Make Ospina grow 5 inches.

Reverse Father Time for Cech and a few others.

Repair Koscielny, Wilshere, Cazorla.

Give Xhaka, Ramsey, Wilshere pace

...

I could go on and on but you get the picture and i do not think they were the most incompetent segment of the Wenger regime.
For me the scouts were shocking and that's not surprising when you find out who they were.

Gilles Grimandi

Danny Karbassayoon

Luis Boa Morte

I was agreeing with you, I'm not sure what you thought I was getting at. What I was saying is other clubs have a very solid structure. Reals coaches all probably have 10-15 years experience minimum. So if the manager is a little inexperienced it's not as big an issue. The backroom staff will somewhat make up for it.

And that's exactly what back room staff do. Mangers oversee. That's why players often say "the manager never spoke to me". I've worked at top clubs been at training day in day out. That's what happens. Wenger is very hands on but he's not running around with cones in his hands and a whistle in his mouth.

Here our backroom staff is having a major shake up and it'll be up to the manager to evaluate those new staff and how competent they are. While someone like arteta maybe isn't the best to do that.

Oh, i certainly did misunderstand. :boris:
Apologies. :hat:

Qwiss

So we are effectively managerless. I don't expect an announcement this week but I hope the following week we'll official appoint someone.

Shady

Feels like it's a homecoming for Arteta. I wonder if he was encouraged to seek tutalage under Pep, in the knowledge that he'd be a future manager here .

Qwiss

I'll be really pissed off if its Arteta.

flobaba

I genuinely think he’d be one of the worst appointments we could make right now.

goon

Going for Arteta is a massive gamble that absolutely no one at the club is qualified to make. Sven would be the only one I’d trust given he’s the only real football man there and he doesn’t know him.

Ricky1985

Arteta would definitely be a hugely risky appointment, and he will have to be something very special right from the word go to warrant that level of risk.

I'd have Thierry Henry as a better option than him, personally.

Clrnc

It's a gamble but then again our club has always made huge gambles on managerial appointments. Nothing new. Arteta has worked under Arsene and Pep while being highly praised for his player development in training. With a proper assistant coach it is not that big a gamble.

Anyway, Pep has pretty much confirmed that Arteta is in the running and wish him the best

y va marquer

It will be Arteta.
Look very closely at the background.
It is written.

y va marquer

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Shady

That is an awful photoshop 😆 why didn't the creator at least choose a younger photo of AW?

y va marquer

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:gape: :egg: 😆

awooga83

I think Arsenal in our current state has too many problems to add to a more risky managerial appointment. One of the things I've seen and agree with is the idea of appointing Arteta as being somehow like Wenger, even as unknown on England he'd managed a top French club for a number of years then travelled to another very different country to manage. Totally different from someone who has never managed a team before.

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