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  • Replacing Sanchez and/or Ozil - What AMs should we target?

Bryant wrote:
Clrnc wrote:

I love my traditional number 10s, I think they can still work in modern days football if you have 2 great CM behind.

I'd go for Lemar, Fekir and Gelson. All 3 very young, hungry and hardworking attacking mids and go 4231.

There's a bunch of CM that's top and gettable like Weigl, Goretzka, Fabinho but I would focus on AMs and see how our CMs does this season.

I'm not sure Fabinho is gettable with Jorge Mendes being his agent. Fabinho is also a third party ownership player too, most of the transfer fee would go to Mendes. Until I see us sign a player represented by Mendes, I won't have that much confidence in getting Fabinho. 

If he has a legit release clause I don't see a problem.

Clrnc wrote:
Bryant wrote:

I'm not sure Fabinho is gettable with Jorge Mendes being his agent. Fabinho is also a third party ownership player too, most of the transfer fee would go to Mendes. Until I see us sign a player represented by Mendes, I won't have that much confidence in getting Fabinho. 

If he has a legit release clause I don't see a problem.

Release clauses are not allowed in France. The best they can do is gentleman's agreement.

Ray wrote:

Mertens would be a good Sanchez replacement.

Fabulous player, but isn't he 30?

He's a small bloke without any outstanding physical abilities. He's probably gonna be the same player four years from now.

The biggest issue is that Wenger doesn't like players like him. If you can't play with your back towards goal you're done at this club. It's the single saddest evolution of Wengerball.

Also isn't Timo Werner destined for Bayern, like most promising young Germans? Bloody good player though. Hopefully our BFG and Mad Jens attributes will help us get a few more Germans into the club. I'd take Goretzka and Werner any day.

Asterix wrote:

Also isn't Timo Werner destined for Bayern, like most promising young Germans? Bloody good player though. Hopefully our BFG and Mad Jens attributes will help us get a few more Germans into the club. I'd take Goretzka and Werner any day.

So put the money down. We can beat Bayern in a financial shootout for Goretzka and Werner in January. If we did that and started to shake some deadweight, I would be happy 

Klaus wrote:

He's a small bloke without any outstanding physical abilities. He's probably gonna be the same player four years from now.

The biggest issue is that Wenger doesn't like players like him. If you can't play with your back towards goal you're done at this club. It's the single saddest evolution of Wengerball.

Welbeck? Walcott? Lacazette?

Lacazette and Welbeck play pretty well with their back towards goal when they're up front. Walcott doesn't play anymore, much like Lucas couldn't get a game last season.

They can hold the ball up now and then but it’s not like either of them are there to link play. We also went after Vardy whose back to goal game is non-existent.

I don’t think Wenger has any style in mind when he looks at potential recruitments, I think he just looks at whether or not he likes them and then worries about the rest later.

2 months later
Claudius wrote:

So put the money down. We can beat Bayern in a financial shootout for Goretzka and Werner in January. If we did that and started to shake some deadweight, I would be happy 

Sweet, we didn't do anything idiotic like not sell Ozil and Alexis last summer, and throw away 150m, right?  🙁 😆

kamikaze wrote:
Claudius wrote:

So put the money down. We can beat Bayern in a financial shootout for Goretzka and Werner in January. If we did that and started to shake some deadweight, I would be happy 

Sweet, we didn't do anything idiotic like not sell Ozil and Alexis last summer, and throw away 150m, right?  🙁 😆

The problem is that no-one would have given us 150m for Ozil and Alexis. We would have gotten 100m for the both of them if we were lucky. That barely gets you one Lemar these days.

Or it could've bought Salah and Matic with about £20m to spare.

And then what? Ozil and Sanchez are basically 90% of the creativity in the team. How do those two replace that?

No they're not. This season Ramsey is the most creative player in the team, even Xhaka is ahead of those 2 on assists. Kolasinac is equal to them. They are far more replaceable than you like to admit. Replacing Sanchez goals is the key issue and that could've been done with someone like Salah.

Yeah we saw their creative powers in full flow yesterday. Ramsey can't even trap a football mate.


Replace Alexis with him.

Was about to post that in the wishlist. If only we had some connections with Ajax.

Wassup with that second goal? Goalie picking weed mid game?

Clrnc wrote:


Replace Alexis with him.

Not sure if serious

Gurgen wrote:

The problem is that no-one would have given us 150m for Ozil and Alexis. We would have gotten 100m for the both of them if we were lucky. That barely gets you one Lemar these days.

Not even that mate, don't thing a single big club showed any interest in Ozil. Think a few would take a punt on a free but weren't willing to pay £40m+ it would have taken to sign him.

a month later

Heavily linked with Cristian Pavon

Don't know about him, but that compilation is very high quality. 🙂

Its pretty classy alright.

He looks good too. Sure get him and Malcom and we might look half decent in attack next season.

JazzG wrote:
Gurgen wrote:

The problem is that no-one would have given us 150m for Ozil and Alexis. We would have gotten 100m for the both of them if we were lucky. That barely gets you one Lemar these days.

Not even that mate, don't thing a single big club showed any interest in Ozil. Think a few would take a punt on a free but weren't willing to pay £40m+ it would have taken to sign him.

Coutinho just moved for over £100m. Half the reason no one is looking to take Ozil now is because they can get him free in a few months.

Seems we've probably got Lemar, Pavon, Malcom and possibly Guedes on our list as replacements for Sanchez.

I don't know enough about the last three to say whether I'd prefer them to Lemar. They do seem fairly similar to one another though, whereas Lemar has a slightly different skillset. Didn't really know much at all about Pavin and Malcom so thought I'd have a look.

Pavon looks very good in the video above, but I find match every touch videos much more informative, and you can definitely see a few more issues with him when you watch a couple of them.  

Pavon:

Looks a bigger threat on the left cutting in, struggled to beat his man on the outside when on the right and his crossing wasn't particularly impressive. Without question has a hammer of a right foot and is a very dangerous carrier of the ball, although his close control doesn't look anything special when he's trying to beat an opponent when static. He does look unusually fast, both off the mark and when up and running.

Malcom:

Straight away you can see his touch and balance is absolutely sublime, and that really low centre of gravity means you just can't get the ball off him. Not frighteningly quick but a good burst to get past people once he unbalances them. Seems to have a good eye for a pass and runners ahead of him; good timing and weight. Really good ball striking technique, one of those left foots that almost can't to anything but hit the ball clean. And serious power with no back lift.

I like the look of them both. For January, I'd probably give Malcom the edge because he's played for a couple of seasons in France, and he looks the smarter and more technically gifted of the two. But Pavon looks destined for big things and looks more of a direct Sanchez replacement - he looks like he has serious goal scoring potential and not too far down the line as well.

Anyone know any more about the two of them?

With ozil, Sanchez, Theo and hopefully wellbeck going we really need 2 of the above.

id be very much in favor of selling ozil and sanchez and replacing them with 2 out and out wingers so we can hopefully move back to a 4-3-3.

Ricky1985 wrote:

Pavon looks very good in the video above, but I find match every touch videos much more informative, and you can definitely see a few more issues with him when you watch a couple of them.  

Pavon:

I have to be honest - I thought this was shockingly poor. Bloke barely puts a foot right all game; it's all bad touches and misplaced passes. I had to watch it a second time to make sure I wasn't looking at the wrong player. Are all the extended videos of him like that?

They're not great. One against Nigeria I watched in particular.

Watch it one last time and imagine him as a 23 year old theo. He plays exacly like him it's astonishing. @[deleted]

speedy wrote:

Watch it one last time and imagine him as a 23 year old theo. He plays exacly like him it's astonishing. @[deleted]

if thats the case, then stay very far away

he looks less polished than our other targets. maybe we're trying to get him on the cheap as a project. i've seen 20-30m euros thrown around as a price tag

Here's the game I mentioned against Nigeria.

He's definitely more refined technically than Walcott - although his close control is clearly nothing at all special - but, like Walcott, his aggressive running off the ball is a real threat becauae he's so quick. Very much doubt he is or even could be as good a finisher as Walcott though, and I say that as more of a compliment to Theo than anything.

Well the hope is Sven will have enough conviction in his ideas to identify these guys and be able to convince Wenger and co to push it through.

Don't think Mislintat plays a role when it comes to players that any 16 year old has scouted on YouTube. Scouting wise it makes a lot more sense to hope for Kagawas than Dembeles