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Gun violence in USA

Klaus

Qwiss

Its always exploiting a tragedy to Hannity and co when its criticism of US gun control or lack there of but when its an ISIS attack in Europe then they've no problem instantly offering their support for a travel ban etc

Bold Tone

arsedocmd

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/NRA-calling-for-immediate-review-of-Bump-Stocks-by-ATF-Update-LaPierre-on-Hannity-9-ET/5-2038918/?page=1

Found this while random browsing. Surreal.

Gurgen

Bold Tone wrote:
I see where Big Will is coming from as i would consider an individual shooting innocent bystanders an act of terror even if he/she doesn't have a political or ideological motive.
If they happen to have one, simply prefix it accordingly.

Good for you. Fortunately all that matters is the legal definition.

jones

What's fortunate about that?

Gurgen

Saves nonsensical discussions like this one.

IBL

Big Willie wrote:
How come this isn't classified as a terrorist attack?

Neveda's own state laws define it as an act of terror

[font="Times New Roman", serif] NRS 202.4415 “Act of terrorism” defined.[/font]

[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      1. “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      (b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]             (1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]             (2) Any natural resource or the environment.[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      2. As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.[/font][/justify]
[font="Times New Roman", serif]      (Added to NRS by 2003, 2947)[/font]

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec4415

Big Willie

IBL wrote:
Big Willie wrote:
How come this isn't classified as a terrorist attack?

Neveda's own state laws define it as an act of terror

[font="Times New Roman", serif]   NRS 202.4415 “Act of terrorism” defined.[/font]

[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      1. “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      (a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      (b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]             (1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]             (2) Any natural resource or the environment.[/font][/justify]
[justify][font="Times New Roman", serif]      2. As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.[/font][/justify]
[font="Times New Roman", serif]      (Added to NRS by 2003, 2947)[/font]

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec4415

Cheers IBL. This seems to make more sense than the ones that just limit it to incidents where the perpetrator may have had political or ideological reasons. In my opinion anyone who goes out of his way to kill as many people as possible should be called a terrorist regardless of motives. Unfortunately for Gurgs this nonsensical discussion drags on.

arsedocmd

What is the difference ? what happens when it's labelled terrorism compared to something else.

Bold Tone

arsedoc md wrote:
What is the difference ? what happens when it's labelled terrorism compared to something else.

arsedocmd

Yes. Does it get investigated differently? What are the consequences to labeling it terrorism?

Daz

It's a fair question. I'll allow it.

flobaba

So you can make nice ominous looking spreadsheets.

Thank God he wasn't a Muslim.

Bold Tone

arsedoc md wrote:
Yes. Does it get investigated differently? What are the consequences to labeling it terrorism?

When not labelled "terrorism", the criminal justice system is allowed to go through due process without political interference.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/24/us/charleston-active-shooter/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/17/im-just-a-sociopath-dylann-roof-declared-after-deadly-church-shooting-spree-court-records-say/

The term "terrorist" has been hijacked by those who want it to be exclusively islamic as part of their wider agenda.
In the uk, these agitators come in the form of Farage/Hopkins types and you post often enough in these threads that i'm sure you know a few more from where you are in the US.
http://forward.com/fast-forward/374074/fox-news-contributors-suggest-muslim-internment-camps/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-apologises-viewers-katie-hopkins-calls-muslim-internment-camps-084517404.html

After a recent car accident, guess who were at the forefront of trying to put the blame on islamic terrorism before knowing any facts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/natural-history-museum-scaremongering_uk_59d92553e4b0f6eed350b4ce

Tony Montana

Lol at Trump's response to the NY terrorist attack saying something must be done immediately with the law to speed things up.

Compare that to the LV shooting and the contrast is stark.

Bold Tone

arsedocmd

More shooting at colorado walmart, one dead according to denver local news.

Burnwinter

Gurgen wrote:
Good for you. Fortunately all that matters is the legal definition.

If you think all that matters is the legal definition you're not paying attention.

If only.

The Infowars / Prison Planet / alt-Right take on what has just happened in Manhattan is pure hate speech, it's fucking terrifying where they're headed.

Tony Montana

[size=large]Sutherland Springs: Texas church shooting leaves many dead - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511[/size]

[size=large]27 dead so far...[/size]

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