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Gun violence in USA

Mirth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

I don't know what to say, this is now the worst mass shooting in US history - following on from the Orlando night club tragedy last year.

goon

Aside from the deaths, the saddest thing is it probably won't have any impact on US gun control.

arsedocmd

Holy shit. World is crazy.

invisibleman18

Fucking ridiculous people can even have assault rifles. As Goon said this won't make any difference. RIP to all.

Clrnc

The people in charge are complete fucking idiots.

Tony Montana

Insane. Literally only knew about this because of this thread.

Hopefully the gunman's friend/roommate who has been caught can shed light on why.

flobaba

Getting the why is cool and all, but it won't make an iota of difference except perhaps to the survivors and the families of those who lost their lives.

How to prevent this sort of insanity going forward is the discussion they need to be having. This is so stupid.

Klaus

Only a single solution at this point: vote republicans out of congress. It's not going to happen but it's literally the only way the US will ever begin to fix its gun issue. People need to start seeing the GOP for what they are. They're the ones who are enabling this shit. They've shown time and again that there can be no bipartisan solution, no debate, no discussion.

mags

The Republicans, party of wimps, lap dogs, intransigence, no original thinking. A party deeply divided who hangs onto DJT's coattails. What has it gotten them? One thing, Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. From Day 1 of Obama's administration McConnell has repeatedly said the he would never ever do anything to help Obama. And he stole that SC seat. That seat going to a right wing conservative will wreak havoc on the country for years.
Gun law change? Nothing more I would like to see.
Monsters like this shooter, we create more and more of them with the D leading the way.

I see more chaos.

banduan

ISIS has claimed the shooting post-facto. People will take that at face value.

Qwiss

Klaus wrote:
Only a single solution at this point: vote republicans out of congress. It's not going to happen but it's literally the only way the US will ever begin to fix its gun issue. People need to start seeing the GOP for what they are. They're the ones who are enabling this shit. They've shown time and again that there can be no bipartisan solution, no debate, no discussion.

Not enough though is it. Its not like we haven't had a Dem congress before.

Qwiss

banduan wrote:
ISIS has claimed the shooting post-facto. People will take that at face value.

I read that 4chan were working hard to come up with a way to blame this on Muslims. I get pretty suspicious when this pops up.

banduan

Qwiss! wrote:
banduan wrote:
ISIS has claimed the shooting post-facto. People will take that at face value.

I read that 4chan were working hard to come up with a way to blame this on Muslims. I get pretty suspicious when this pops up.

more likely /pol/ from 8chan, the festering pit of the Alt Right.

edit: although ISIS are perfectly capable of claiming anything and anything that fits their agenda.

Tony Montana

Police have dismissed it.

Claudius

Such a tiresome topic. Even worse is talking to my Republican friends and listening to them jump hoops to justify gun proliferation. It's insane. 50 people who will never see their families and friends again. 100s more who will be forever scarred by this night. A friend of mine pulled up to the hotel as this was happening, and his Uber pulled away as he noticed commotion.

As Klaus says, you'd need to vote Republicans out of power, but this is the same electorate that put a racist, lying, misogynistic, tax-avoiding groper in the White House.

mags

Claudius wrote:
As Klaus says, you'd need to vote Republicans out of power, but this is the same electorate that put a racist, lying, misogynistic, tax-avoiding groper in the White House.

She won the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.
NRA Rules. Until that changes.....
They will pump Millions and millions of dollars in 2018 into federal and state elections.

flobaba

So let's say you have a Dem controlled Congress and they want to initiate action on gun control. There's already so many guns in the public sphere it's almost impossible to make any headway especially if most are unwilling to give up their firearms. How do you force/ incentivize it?

Burnwinter

Ban the sale of new high-powered firearms and handguns, and sunset the legal registration of existing ones alongside a properly funded, non-mandatory government buyback scheme.

Base subsequent changes to the balance of incentives on measured and publicised changes in public behaviour.

Basic restrictions on gun ownership would create immediate difficulties for many of these "lone gunman" attacks. Despite the flood of registered and unregistered guns in the US, it's not as if people like Elliott Rodger or Dylann Roof are so well-connected they'd be easily able to obtain powerful firearms if they were made illegal.

Strikes me the biggest problem with policy change in this area in the US is that once implemented, the GOP would make it their mission to repeal gun control.

flobaba

Exactly - people have had the taste of First Amendment blood since the country was founded. It's incredibly popular. Basically the norm. You can't just expect to change that in a term or two of the Presidency... when nothing was done after Sandy Hook, I finally gave up on this issue. Americans are insane.

mags

2nd Amendment
After Sandy Hook nothing was done on the federal level.
I think a state or two did pass more restrictive gun control laws.

Burnsy's list is spot on.
One addition, the NRA needs to be reined in.

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