Coombs wrote:

Think that's dead wrong. Nothing special about that goal and Lacazette has shown much better technique at least twice a game for us than "pretending" to go one direction and then another. Ozil does it with every single touch.

I'm not down on Morata like some, but this is becoming a a Lacazette bash every time another striker scores a goal.

We're discussing a particular goal in the general football section. Sorry if it upsets you.

Re: Lacazette, he's not a top striker and his touch is average at best. No amount of back-patting is gonna change that. He can still contribute to our season though.

Oh yes, I was clearly terribly upset by the discussion, and in particular that it was in the GF thread.

By all means, discuss the goal. He ran straight down the middle of the pitch and finished well. Lacazette could absolutely do it, and your suggestion that he somehow could never have accomplished that is certainly wrong.

His touch is not average. You clearly haven't really watched him, or have some weird bias. His touch is excellent, and he's much more of a proven top striker than Morata because he's scored a fuckton more goals than Morata ever has. That's just a fact, there's no debate to be had.

I don't mean to say Laca is a better all-round footballer, that's a different story.

Coombs wrote:

His touch is excellent, and he's much more of a proven top striker than Morata because he's scored a fuckton more goals than Morata ever has. That's just a fact, there's no debate to be had.

Morata has a superior goal scoring record at international level (12 goals in 22 games vs 1 goal in 12 games) and in the champions league/europe (12 goals in 35 games vs 15 goals in 47 games).

I don't think it's conclusive that he's a better goal scorer than Morata

Coombs wrote:

His touch is not average. You clearly haven't really watched him, or have some weird bias. His touch is excellent, and he's much more of a proven top striker than Morata because he's scored a fuckton more goals than Morata ever has. That's just a fact, there's no debate to be had.

Look, I've made no secret that I'm not a fan of Lacazette. I have barely commented on him since we signed him though, because I believe in getting behind our own players. I also think he deserves a full season to prove what kind of player he's going to be for us.

Tony specifically wondered what Lacazette would do if he faced the same scenario as Morata. I don't think he's technical of pacy enough to do anything in that situation, really. That's not based on prejudice but rather on watching him bungle these situations 40 odd times across the past few seasons. You can think his touch is excellent all you want, but it has a lot more in common with Bendtner than Özil. Even yesterday balls were bouncing off his ankles like he was a batting tee.

Mirth wrote:
Coombs wrote:

His touch is excellent, and he's much more of a proven top striker than Morata because he's scored a fuckton more goals than Morata ever has. That's just a fact, there's no debate to be had.

Morata has a superior goal scoring record at international level (12 goals in 22 games vs 1 goal in 12 games) and in the champions league/europe (12 goals in 35 games vs 15 goals in 47 games).

I don't think it's conclusive that he's a better goal scorer than Morata

International football is bobbins, Giroud has a better rate than Benzema there.

Also you've included Moratas goals for Real Madrid B in the 3rd Spanish league, in actual football he's scored 45 in 130 games compared to Lacazette's 104 in 208. In goal scoring terms it's not even close.

I took those out - I picked the goals in the CL and international because it's at least some level of control.

Bear in mind Morata played for Juventus and Real Madrid and was never first choice over a season. I'm pretty sure he'd be posting similar numbers if he wasted his entire career at Lyon instead.

Maybe so, and he probably might score more than Lacazatte this season, but as it stands he has a lot to prove to even be compared to Lacazette when it comes to scoring goals.

Mirth wrote:

I took those out - I picked the goals in the CL and international because it's at least some level of control.  

Bear in mind Morata played for Juventus and Real Madrid and was never first choice over a season. I'm pretty sure he'd be posting similar numbers if he wasted his entire career at Lyon instead.

Morata couldn't force himself into the first team ahead of Mandzukic, don't think that's something you can count in his defence. He's talented as anyone but has it all to prove, loads of times people were thinking he'd kick on after a great performance in the CL for Juventus or Real only to disappoint again.

Moreover he's a diving piece of shit who's affiliated with three of the scummiest clubs on earth, bit concerning that he's still so well liked here. Also I'm not sure why Lacazette is slammed for staying in Lyon for an extended period, contrast that with Morata who was close to signing with Milan and United before ending up at Chelsea

I don’t think anyone was under the illusion that Lacazette would be running past players from the half way line or even beating his man 1 v 1, it’s why many of us were not so enthusiastic about his signing. He’s here to score goals and that’s what he will be judged on. He needs to outscore guys like Morata, who do have more to their game, to be considered a more worthwhile signing. 4 goals in 5 starts isn’t a bad start.

Mirth wrote:

Regardless of the defending, that finish is special.

Its an incredible finish, Kanu-esque.

Nothing about the run is all the special, nothing Jamie Vardy couldn't do a bit quicker.

As a team we have to do better. Lacazette can and should be in the running for the golden boot. He's not going to do things Morata does, but the inverse is also true, and I think that his strengths shouldn't be overlooked. He's got the pace to do something like that run, but not the mentality. He's a clever combination player and poacher, wish we could see him in a 442.

Klaus wrote:
banduan wrote:

It wasn't technique that got him past Fletcher but pace. The technique was the finishing.

The touch when he pretends to go to the right and instead brings with him the ball on the left is definitely special. He gains a step on Fletcher without slowing down. I don't think Lacazette's good enough to do that, pace or not.

Yous making virtue out of necessity mate. He's well rapid and is ahead of Fletcher without doing anything but run with the ball. I don't understand the bolded part anyway. How do you gain a step by slowing down?

I don't think Lacazette has the acceleration or the pace over a distance to score a goal like that. If anything I have been surprised by his lack of pace. However, I have been impressed with him thus far for us. He looks like a top finisher and if we create high percentage chances, he will score loads of goals.

Won't expect much of lacazette till next season. Wenger says he needs time to adjust to physicality of epl. Should be a stop start season.

I just changed my entire fucking fantasy side to accommodate the fucker.

goon wrote:

I just changed my entire fucking fantasy side to accommodate the fucker.

There are too many striker options, its frankly a relief when one goes down. I switched him out for Lukaku and was happy to spend the 4 points because Lukaku vs Palace had the potential to fuck me over. Now I'm just worrying about Kane.

Lukaku was .1 too much for me sadly, that being said Lacazette vs Brighton could be good anyway.

Jones, what you think about that boy Harry Kane eh? World class or what?