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Burnwinter

I don't think there is anything wrong with 'pure fantasy' when it comes to music though. Some artists are trying to create an image/atmosphere about being in a particular scenario, why is that any different to film or books? Do they all have to be from personal experience for us to appreciate them?

I don't think there's anything in general that's wrong with creating a fantasy scenario in any form of art. In narrative forms, however, fantasies about the actions of the protagonist(s) by their nature invite audience identification in a way that documentary forms don't.

When you read Conan the Barbarian you imagine screwing chicks in chainmail and hacking the heads off temple guards.

So I suppose I worry to some extent about what you imagine when you listen to lyrics about anal rape or what have you in Odd Future lyrics. I'm not really a big fan of violence against women.

On the other hand, if you listen to Wu Tang, who I live, there's a fair bit of ethnically slanted murder fantasy in there so I'm not sure the distinction I'm drawing is fair. Might just be that this lot haven't been normalised yet.

I'm reminded of Fur Q's 'Uzi Lover' from the Day Today:

asajoseph

RocktheCasbah wrote:
Did you manage to watch the whole thing? I got to the first "chorus". Jo lasted 20 seconds.

Yep.

I've been trying to find out who provided the rap halfway through. It's hilarious, actually. Some of the lyrics are so bad they're good.

James

General Mirth wrote:
James wrote:
Arctic Monkeys released a teaser last night for anyone interested. Personally, i love the stoner/desert/60's/70's rock direction they've taken the past couple of years. The Josh Homme and QOTSA influence is still pretty clear, especially in the last half of the song, but i fucking love it. May not be of interest to those still expecting songs about fights breaking out in the queue for a nightclub, though. Does lack Alex's witty lyrics, but then, as it's Matt who's singing, maybe he wrote it

It's decent but I much prefer Piledriver Waltz and Stuck on a Puzzle which, as far as I understand, are sadly not going to be on the new album.

Piledriver Waltz will be on the album.

Those two songs are brilliant. Goes to show that Alex hasnt completely lost it (for those who think he has).

Armor

I love watching this girls videos. Brilliant covers.

Mirth

James wrote:
General Mirth wrote:
It's decent but I much prefer Piledriver Waltz and Stuck on a Puzzle which, as far as I understand, are sadly not going to be on the new album.

Piledriver Waltz will be on the album.

Those two songs are brilliant. Goes to show that Alex hasnt completely lost it (for those who think he has).

Ah, I see. Thought it was a solo project for the movie 'Submarine'.

I do not think he has lost it either, just a new direction. Which I don't mind, rather that than see them churn out songs for the sake of it. Took me little time to get my head around the last album too.

Captain

You guys like Killa Priest:

Have this on vinyl somewhere, one of only ten or so I have ever bought.

Captain

This was one of the B-sides. There was another song on there too but I can't remember what it was called, may dig it out tomorrow.

Captain

Found it.

This was the first single of the double b-side. Interestingly enough, it sounds a little slower than I remember it being so either my record player was or my memory is knackered. Love this song though.

Xcdude24

Burnwinter wrote:
The original idea of the gangster thing, whether you're talking about Wu Tang or NWA or anyone else, was to document a life the artists were (supposedly, though not actually) living - though other black youth were even if they weren't.

In the case of Wu Tang, it was processing racial disadvantage by romanticising it via the tropes of HK cinema. With NWA they set themselves up as Panther-like adversaries of the racist police force. Either way the emotional pitch was that of the tragic hero, coming up hard and dying hard.

Even Eminem's most controversial lyrics (e.g. on "Kill You") were mostly about troubles he had in his own life with his real mother and girlfriend.

The thing that bugs me about Odd Future who are pretty much just a darker, less real, and more controversial version of Eminem content wise, is it's seemingly a fairly pure fantasy and it's an extreme and unpleasant fantasy. "Rape sluts" etc., I mean give me a break. Not that it's any worse than the ubiquituous violent porn on the net.

The theme of callous violence invites you into a storyline from which they know, and you know you can probably remain emotionally detached, because it's basically, in some sense, a big ironic joke. But the consequences if a male listener really does get embedded in the fantasy are pretty unpleasant for the women in his life.

Yeah, context is everything. Odd Future is just a bunch of skaters from LA, with presumably no involvement in the stuff that guys in Wu-Tang etc. were in.

y va marquer

Not so new but still worth a listen, not enough Tricky in this tread 🙂

GaelForce

asajoseph wrote:

Apparently this is the worst song of all time.

I tend to agree.

Everyone's singing it here, it's become an absolute sensation. "Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday comes afterwards..." "Parting, partying, yeah!"

Instant classic.

That said, how creepy is the rapper?

GaelForce

And, to restore some respect:

Hadn't heard of them until a mate posted this song on their fb. I'm now responsible for about 200 of those 1800 views.

y va marquer

Just watched that Rebecca Black…

The horror is in the way she says Friday and in the way the video looks like it might have been made by a branch of the Seventh Day Adventists.

Timbob

Anybody remember Day One? Started listening to their first album again the other day. Totally brilliant.

Xcdude24

GaelForce wrote:
asajoseph wrote:

Apparently this is the worst song of all time.

I tend to agree.

Everyone's singing it here, it's become an absolute sensation. "Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday comes afterwards..." "Parting, partying, yeah!"

Instant classic.

That said, how creepy is the rapper?

Apparently he's the guy who produced the song/runs the company that she paid into.

Was at a bar last night, and that's about the only thing anyone wanted to talk about all night.

Burnwinter

Xcdude24 wrote:
Yeah, context is everything. Odd Future is just a bunch of skaters from LA, with presumably no involvement in the stuff that guys in Wu-Tang etc. were in.

Although, from what I hear, Wu Tang were all mouth and were basically a pack of music and film nerds 😃. Which is more or less what you'd expect from geeks who sample the soppiest bits from John Woo films etc.

I just love the RZA to be honest. The rapping is incredible on 36 Chambers but it's ultimately all about the minimalist production.

James

RocktheCasbah

y va marquer wrote:
Not so new but still worth a listen, not enough Tricky in this tread 🙂

Like Murder Weapon, love Christiansands- one of my favourite songs ever.

Tim wrote:
Anybody remember Day One? Started listening to their first album again the other day. Totally brilliant.

I remember those guys. They were on Massive Attack's short lived Melankolic album. Thought Ordinary Man a very good track.

Qwiss

Xcdude24 wrote:
GaelForce wrote:
Everyone's singing it here, it's become an absolute sensation. "Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday comes afterwards..." "Parting, partying, yeah!"

Instant classic.

That said, how creepy is the rapper?

Apparently he's the guy who produced the song/runs the company that she paid into.

Was at a bar last night, and that's about the only thing anyone wanted to talk about all night.

Its all about the cover versions

Armor

I like the xx.

That Rebecca Black song is brilliant, the lyrics really make you wonder. "Which seat can i take"? Think about it - which seat should she take?

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