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Bold Tone

Jones won in large part to African-American turnout in a race where blacks represented a larger portion of turnout than when Barack Obama was on the ballot. Of the 30 percent of African Americans who cast a ballot, Jones won more than 90 percent of African-American men and 98 percent of African-American women, according to exit polling conducted by CNN.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/how_did_doug_jones_win_women_a.html#incart_river_index

Qwiss

Klaus wrote:
Not sure it's that mind-boggling. It's just evangelical Christians being a fucking plague on humanity as usual.

Exactly. Evangelical Christians are as bad as any extremist Islamic group.

arsedocmd

Savage. Ouch!

Bold Tone

https://us.cnn.com/2017/12/15/opinions/trump-judge-nominee-petersen-bad-day-callan-opinion/index.html

flobaba

Qwiss! wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Not sure it's that mind-boggling. It's just evangelical Christians being a fucking plague on humanity as usual.

Exactly. Evangelical Christians are as bad as any extremist Islamic group.

What is an Evangelical Christian?

Coombs

Evangelicals believe that the essence of Christianity is in the Bible, in particular, Christ's death. They believe in proselytizing aggressively as part of actually being a Christian, and in being 'born again' to be saved. It's very similar to aggressive forms of Islam that interpret certain tenants to mean that conversion of others to the faith is part of practicing it fully.

EDIT: I should say that they are always Protestants (Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.) and that they are usually what people mean when they talk about "Bible Bashers" or the "Bible Belt" in the US's South and Southern Midwest. They are are huge part of the USA's population and have become politically very powerful, in large part because of the conservative coalition's (i.e. Confederate holdouts) strategy to directly associate Christian values with regressive politics and state's rights after the New Deal. Those folks eventually became the contemporary GOP.

Burnwinter

Speaking of evangelicals and their grip on US politics, here's a list of words now, if not banned, severely discouraged at the Centre for Disease Control that clearly shows the influence of reactionary politics.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/16/health/cdc-banned-words/index.html

Claudius

Burnwinter wrote:
Speaking of evangelicals and their grip on US politics, here's a list of words now, if not banned, severely discouraged at the Centre for Disease Control that clearly shows the influence of reactionary politics.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/16/health/cdc-banned-words/index.html

I was about to post this. My CDC friends are distraught. But America should have sent this coming. It’s just another brick over a foundation that was laid a decade ago with the rise of Fox News and other purveyors of reactionary politics and misinformation. I am not surprised to see this. It is consistent with what has been built up. In the absence of the groundwork of institutions like Breitbart, Tea Party, Fox, etc; the actions of a Trump government would be completely bewildering and easy to arrest. But now it’s quite easy for them to first think to do this, and to find support from some segment of a conditioned public for pushing through this insanity.

So what shall we call transgender individuals and fetuses?

Qwiss

Burnwinter wrote:
Speaking of evangelicals and their grip on US politics, here's a list of words now, if not banned, severely discouraged at the Centre for Disease Control that clearly shows the influence of reactionary politics.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/16/health/cdc-banned-words/index.html

Wow. Thats some next level Orwellian stuff there.

Klaus

Meanwhile in Silicon Valley:

I liked Greenwald's response:

Do Americans understand that the majority of the world is more worried about the US having nuclear weapons than North Korea having them?

Burnwinter

Qwiss! wrote:
Wow. Thats some next level Orwellian stuff there.

Just remember, the left wingers that want you to use their preferred pronouns are the real fascists.

flobaba

Anyone else hear Nikki Haley explicitly threatening the entire UN yesterday?

When the Turkish ambassador sounds like the reasonable person at the table you know things have changed drastically.

Again I say: this is the true face of this country.

arsedocmd

Clear bullying.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-israels-massive-defeat-at-the-un-isnt-quite-as-bad-as-it-looks/

Even though it was all symbolic.

Big Willie

Edit: At flo

flobaba wrote:
Anyone else hear Nikki Haley explicitly threatening the entire UN yesterday?

When the Turkish ambassador sounds like the reasonable person at the table you know things have changed drastically.

Again I say: this is the true face of this country.

Yeah pretty petty to be honest. I guess it's no surprise when the whole minset of the Trump administration is to think everyone will just fall back in line and follow their lead with no questions asked.

Threatening to cut funding to the UN or aid to certain countries that excersied their rights as sovereign nations to vote as they see fit is a disgrace to be honest.

Mirth

I mean, all that'll happen is that those countries will turn immediately to China. Most developing counties are already moving in that direction

jones

Big Willie wrote:
Edit: At flo

flobaba wrote:
Anyone else hear Nikki Haley explicitly threatening the entire UN yesterday?

When the Turkish ambassador sounds like the reasonable person at the table you know things have changed drastically.

Again I say: this is the true face of this country.

Yeah pretty petty to be honest. I guess it's no surprise when the whole minset of the Trump administration is to think everyone will just fall back in line and follow their lead with no questions asked.

Threatening to cut funding to the UN or aid to certain countries that excersied their rights as sovereign nations to vote as they see fit is a disgrace to be honest.

Not that I'd disagree but that's the exact M.O. of her predecessor Samantha Power who served in her position under Obama.

Mirth

Foreign aid has always been given in return for strategic benefits rather than charity, the US is not alone in this.

However, threatening half the world on a matter as sensitive as this one is well outside the norm even. It's taking a principle has already been well established at this point and dragging it to the extreme end - much like most of Trump's other policies. Flobaba is right to say that this side of America has always existed, however Trump is an effective and dangerous multipler

Claudius

For a man who has branded himself as dealer extraordinaire, it was another clumsy attempt at maneuvering. The US's biggest foreign aid is self-serving, military aid given to countries like Egypt. That will not move, so is unaffected by this threat. Then where there are smaller amounts, it is often to African countries that are also being courted by China, who will snatch the opportunity to relatively increase influence. A completely meaningless threat. Both Donald and Nicky have embarrassed themselves on the world stage.

Big Willie

Mirth wrote:
Foreign aid has always been given in return for strategic benefits rather than charity, the US is not alone in this.

However, threatening half the world on a matter as sensitive as this one is well outside the norm even. It's taking a principle has already been well established at this point and dragging it to the extreme end - much like most of Trump's other policies. Flobaba is right to say that this side of America has always existed, however Trump is an effective and dangerous multipler

Don't think it's fair to limit that to just the US. We have the same thing over on our shores.

Maybe a little more hidden in cluturally diverse places like we have in London and the like but its right there under the surface.

We already have seen some signs of it bubbling over following the Brexit vote and with the right (wrong) person in power, you will find many people coming out of the woodwork when they feel comfortable enough to express their true selves.

flobaba

Yes, but the US is / was perceived as the #1 nation in the world. And has always been able to at least preach morality to an extent even if it didn’t always practice it.

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