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Wengerball : back again?

Rex

Love the attacking football we are playing of late. Having been one of Giroud's harshest critics over the years, I still believe he has an important role to play for us this season. Having him as second choice is a massive bonus for us IMO. Coming off the bench if we are chasing a game, I think I'd prefer Giroud to Lucas too. In fact, if Giroud would be prepared to accept a squad role here, I'd be more than happy to keep him beyond this season. However, I suspect Giroud won't accept a squad role though.

Mirth

General wrote:
What makes games memorable for me is not the football we play anymore but the challenges we overcome and all this talk of us suddenly playing scintillating football like never seen before is slightly bemusing.

But why do you have to preach on what makes games entertaining for anyone else? No one's suggested that this is going to lead to title winning form but for several people (particularly the one's who've called for Sanchez to play upfront) this is enjoyable. It probably won't last but it's hardly worthy of scorn that people think this the football being played is refreshing.

I'm sure some of you were singing the same tune when we beat United 3-0 last season.

By that stage we had already lost to West Ham at Home, Chelsea away and were at risk of falling out of the CL having lost to Zagreb away and Olympiacos at home. There were already weaknesses on display and we were certainly not as free scoring.

Burnwinter

We're playing well and the sense is that we're easily one of the stronger teams and squads in the Premier League. We need to build on this and if we're to get ahead, we'll almost certainly need to use Giroud and Perez. The success of our current lineup notwithstanding, I'm a bit concerned those two are not being rotated in more at the moment.

Clrnc

goon wrote:
I've heard that said a few times but I completely disagree that we've played like this before, maybe with the exception of the 07/08 season. Every other occasion that we've threatened to look like contenders it's never been through scintillating football.

Yup. We have played like this for a good number of matches now this season, the last time we consistently performed well on the pitch and got results with Wengerball was in 2008.

Of course over the next couple of years here and there we had some good performances but it was never sustained. It's the same as those who often jump the gun and claim that the squad is the best since invincibles for the last couple of years before backtracking when we crumble, it was never as good as the 08 squad. This is the first real chance of squad we have to prove that this will be the best since invincibles and confidence is there that we can do it.

flobaba

General wrote:
If we beat United away, it would be huge and this cannot be under estimated. It would be a more important indicator of our ability to last the distance than any football we are playing currently. Questions are asked because we often fold at the earliest sign of trouble. I was more impressed by the Burnley game than the Ludogorets game tbh because we stuck to the task and didn't lose our organisation like has often happened in the past. Lets see if we can repeat this deep into the season.

United, United, United.

Why United away? Yes, it's a big game, but why is that your benchmark? Why should it be ours? If we win does that somehow automatically make us dead on favorites to win the league in your view? In November?? And if we don't does that mean we stand no chance?

Winning the league is about consistency. Consistency in performances against the lower teams is more critical than the one off big games. Those are great to win of course as they increase the confidence and belief in the team, and gives fans something to brag about, but it's still the same 3 points total isn't it?

What makes games memorable for me is not the football we play anymore but the challenges we overcome and all this talk of us suddenly playing scintillating football like never seen before is slightly bemusing.

No one has made this claim, except voices in your head.

Also if you don't find good footy memorable that's fine, feel free to leave this thread for those of us who do and open a thread on overcoming challenges or whatever else stirs your loins.

I'm sure some of you were singing the same tune when we beat United 3-0 last season.

No. I'm quite sure we were not. I remember clearly because we slurped tea out of our Wenger out mugs. We had just come off the back of an absolutely horrendous game losing 3-2 at home to Olympiacos, and right afterwards we went on a strong run which included wins against Bayern, Swansea and Everton. October was a very good month for us. But no one really had the feeling that we were consistent or truly exciting with our attacking play and the atmosphere remained skeptical. Quite a few of us have that feeling now, and we are actually enjoying watching us go forward.

What are you so mad at, bro?

Burnwinter

Well you know United will play a negative, cynical, vicious game against us with all the gamesmanship and bad spirit of their shitty club and Mourinho. If we drop points there it's not the end of the world, but I also agree with General that a win would be pretty big.

Though sometimes the capitulation begins right after you get the big win, like last season when we took Leicester out in the final minute.

est

I really don't see the need to cry about our impending failure at this point. Just enjoy the moment and enjoy the performances while they last.

goon

Yeah, it's boring enough in the media. You know exactly what the 'expert' analysis will be after a good performance... 'yeah they're great on their day but can they eat the big/small sides/keep it up till March yards yaddabyadda'.

General

flobaba wrote:
General wrote:
If we beat United away, it would be huge and this cannot be under estimated. It would be a more important indicator of our ability to last the distance than any football we are playing currently. Questions are asked because we often fold at the earliest sign of trouble. I was more impressed by the Burnley game than the Ludogorets game tbh because we stuck to the task and didn't lose our organisation like has often happened in the past. Lets see if we can repeat this deep into the season.

United, United, United.

Why United away? Yes, it's a big game, but why is that your benchmark? Why should it be ours? If we win does that somehow automatically make us dead on favorites to win the league in your view? In November?? And if we don't does that mean we stand no chance?

Winning the league is about consistency. Consistency in performances against the lower teams is more critical than the one off big games. Those are great to win of course as they increase the confidence and belief in the team, and gives fans something to brag about, but it's still the same 3 points total isn't it?

What makes games memorable for me is not the football we play anymore but the challenges we overcome and all this talk of us suddenly playing scintillating football like never seen before is slightly bemusing.

No one has made this claim, except voices in your head.

Also if you don't find good footy memorable that's fine, feel free to leave this thread for those of us who do and open a thread on overcoming challenges or whatever else stirs your loins.

I'm sure some of you were singing the same tune when we beat United 3-0 last season.

No. I'm quite sure we were not. I remember clearly because we slurped tea out of our Wenger out mugs. We had just come off the back of an absolutely horrendous game losing 3-2 at home to Olympiacos, and right afterwards we went on a strong run which included wins against Bayern, Swansea and Everton. October was a very good month for us. But no one really had the feeling that we were consistent or truly exciting with our attacking play and the atmosphere remained skeptical. Quite a few of us have that feeling now, and we are actually enjoying watching us go forward.

What are you so mad at, bro?

I have not said United are the benchmark. I said winning would be an important indicator of our ability to last the distance. I'm sure others know what I meant but feel free to read what you want to read. The rest of your post is just going round in circles and you might want to read what others have said before singling out posts in bold.

Counting major competitions; we've played 3games in the CL, we've had two very good performances against the mighty Ludogorets and Basle and 1 below average performance against PSG. It's 8 games in the League and we've probably only played consistently well in 3 or 4 games - Chelsea, Watford and Hull (I'll add Burnley because we unlocked them without losing focus). We sure have not been consistent with our attacking play and on a number of occasions we've gifted as many opportunities as we've created. This thread is not only premature, it's actually embarrassing and we are in the middle of October.

Mirth

It's always nice when posters start telling everyone else what threads are acceptable and what threads aren't.

I'm also looking forward to the inevitable 'I told you so' from General as well.

Burnwinter

We're playing some good stuff.
We're not invulnerable.
Beating United would be pretty big.
Let's not count our chickens.

Not really seeing any contradictions here except the usual variations of tone and handbags. 😉

flobaba

General wrote:
I have not said United are the benchmark. I said winning would be an important indicator of our ability to last the distance. I'm sure others know what I meant but feel free to read what you want to read. The rest of your post is just going round in circles and you might want to read what others have said before singling out posts in bold.

Counting major competitions; we've played 3games in the CL, we've had two very good performances against the mighty Ludogorets and Basle and 1 below average performance against PSG. It's 8 games in the League and we've probably only played consistently well in 3 or 4 games - Chelsea, Watford and Hull (I'll add Burnley because we unlocked them without losing focus). We sure have not been consistent with our attacking play and on a number of occasions we've gifted as many opportunities as we've created. This thread is not only premature, it's actually embarrassing and we are in the middle of October.

The United game is in November... just a couple of weeks away. I wonder why one particular game about a month away would be a greater indicator of our ability to last the distance? How about the game just before it (Tottenham)? or just after it (PSG)? Why United? You haven't given a satisfactory answer. I assume you see United as our bogey team. I do not.

If we won that, would this thread be suddenly less "premature" and "embarrassing" to you?

And this thread is not about "lasting the distance". It is about enjoying watching us play.

Again. What you mad at bro?

flobaba

est wrote:
I really don't see the need to cry about our impending failure at this point. Just enjoy the moment and enjoy the performances while they last.

Aah, very simple something o. Very simple.

goon

Burnwinter wrote:
We're playing some good stuff.
We're not invulnerable.
Beating United would be pretty big.
Let's not count our chickens.

Not really seeing any contradictions here except the usual variations of tone and handbags. 😉

The thing is nobody is counting our chickens or claiming that we're infallible or even claiming that we're going to play super football through the season. So what it comes down to is this:

JazzG

General wrote:
It's difficult to play decent football when you have a donkey upfront who goes missing for half a season. This team will always look better with a mobile striker upfront. There is nothing magical happening here. Welbeck and Walcott showed that last season and Sanchez has taken it up a level but he sure won't last the whole season playing like this. I think this thread is a little bit premature and some people never learn their lesson but I guess it comes down to what your expectations are. You could even sense that Wenger is a little cautious this season about our progress and rightly so because he has seen time and time again how it's often ended in abject failure. We kick off 1230 on Saturday at Man U after the next international break and that's when the tough questions get asked. I can't even remember the last time we won there in the league.

My first expectation is for us to play entertaining football. You can sit there and be miserable about how things have gone wrong in the past 12 years or you can enjoy the football we are playing now. We probably won't win the title but I'd rather us not win playing like this. Nobody is getting carried away and saying we will go on and win anything, just a general observation that our football is a hell of a lot better than recent years.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

I like Arsenal.

marv3llous

We have definitely not played this kind of stuff since '08. All the squads we've had since then have had huge faults in them by design. '09-'12 was horrendous defensively, '13-'15 our offensive fluidity has been non-existent. Now is the first time we have managed to balance it all, we have a stable back line which has capable fullbacks both offensively and defensively. We have centrebacks who are comfortable on the ball and able to play the high line. We have midfield who are comfortable controlling the game with the ball or just digging in and helping the defenders out and most importantly, we have a front line that's both talented and fluid.

Now all we gotta do is avoid big slumps in form and most importantly injuries to key players who help make this system work and we will come very close in May.

USArsenal

Im trying to figure out why winning away at a big side is any proof of anything.. Chelsea beat us at the Emirates last year (and at SB) and they were barely in the top HALF of the table much less anywhere near the title.

One game is irrelevant. If we beat the teams we're supposed to beat and have an admirable record against the other teams vying for the title, then we will be there or thereabouts near the end of the season.

I am personally enjoying going into a game and expecting to win it rather than "hoping we can pull it off". Will that bring some disappointment when we dont get full points against teams we should? Yep. But other than our slow first couple games, we've been on quite a run. Im going to enjoy it as long as it lasts.. (and i want us to win, thats it.. if we can do it with some great play like we did v. Ludo, even better)

Mirth

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
I like Arsenal.

GTFO

Qwiss

Yeah we LOVE Arsenal

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