Clrnc wrote:

goon wrote:

He's always been like that. Remember reading he was furious in his first season after we lost to Southampton in the league cup while everyone else was indifferent. Whats slightly different is how he's been reacting to teammates when he doesn't get the ball or when they play the wrong pass, worse than prime Thierry.

Find it hard to blame him when the quality around him is so dire. He shouldn't have reacted the way he did when Ramsey didn't make the correct run though.

I don't think that's any excuse, I know guys who do that sort of shit in real life and I've never seen it result in a positive outcome, more often than not it just drains confidence and the victims start second guessing themselves. I genuinely believe Thierry leaving played a large part in guys like Hleb and Adebayor flourishing the season after.
 
What does excuse Sanchez is that it's not in his usual character and I think he's just deeply frustrated. I view normal Sanchez as the guy who had a word with Welbeck on his to make runs at half time in that FA Cup game.

Tactics wrote:

Gurgen wrote:

Could be that Sanchez was mostly frustrated about his own dogshit performance.

I'd suggest you watch a re run of the match, he was easily our best player on the night. He wasn't amazing but no way was his performance "dogshit" 

You can't be serious

He was far from dogshit. Come on, have some perspective.

I think Giroud is the only starter to walk away with some credit after that game, but that's only because you don't expect him to contribute anything other than one or two decisive moments in the box.

You'd be hard pressed in convincing anyone that Sanchez was dogshit. These kind of debates are unhelpful and lead to nowhere.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone, just voicing my completely nonobjective opinion. I haven't seen the match stats so he may have been a lot better than I remember.

I just hope we dont sell either one to a Premier League side.

I think we'll lose both tbh.

Losing both would be a bigger calamity than the season Fabregas and Nasri left in the same month. We need to keep one and focus the team around them, sign a replacement superstar who actually compliments the other. Ozil and Sanchez are like chalk and cheese.

Ozil will stay, Sanchez is off. The opposite would probably be more beneficial tbh.

General wrote:

You'd be hard pressed in convincing anyone that Sanchez was dogshit. These kind of debates are unhelpful and lead to nowhere.

It's not a debate, I actually agree that Sanchez was well below par versus Bournemouth.
If that's the standard to be expected of him then let him go.
My recollection is of him losing possession countless times and not creating a whole lot of danger

That's far from saying he was dogshit. Nobody said he was at his best but he carried most of our attacking threat in those nightmare 70mins and did score the goal that started the comeback. Oliver allowed a few clear fouls on him go unpunished and that didn't help. Others might want too see things differently, that's their problem. Suggest they watch the game again.

No you're suggesting that the way you see it is the correct way, and that there is no "argument" for seeing it as Gurgen sees it.

My interpretation would be that such a below par performance from Sanchez could indeed be seen by some as dog**** given the levels of excellence that we expect from him and pay him for.

I'm as big a fan of Alexis as they come, but he's had a bunch of performances lately that Özil would probably have been chastised for if the table was turned. He wasn't good against Bournemouth. His annoying habit of holding onto the ball to the point of the absurd was one of the reasons we couldn't score for the first 70 minutes.

I have not suggestd the way I see it is the correct way. I said calling the performance dogshit is not objective and far from reality. Tactics had already queried this view. Look I don't have the appetite to argue over people's personal views. All I asked for is some perspective. You are clearly angling for an argument so I'll let somebody else take this.

Not angling for an argument at all just pointing out that the general thrust of your posts is that there is an objective truth about the level of Sanchez's performance as defined by yourself, subjectively.

"they tell me they want to stay"

that's the first positive news i've heard in a while

He also goes on to say they're asking for more than the club can afford due to our "identity and values".

That's pretty much how I read it as well.