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Shkodran Mustafi

Claudius

Nobody gives a shit about Wenger's future. Just pay what's required. If we showed some ambition, players would be lining up.

Gazza M

those extra details become a factor when you're not offering top-level wages, which we aren't

Cannon

Cannon wrote:
He is available. Valencia/his agent have been touting him all around. Its all about the money. Everyone want 30 mill for anyone these days.

Cannon wrote:
It is always about the money. I remember we had a deal agreed with Juan mata but we waited to conclude the fabregas deal and avoid paying a few weeks wages. In the end Chelsea swooped him up.

The ONLY reason we are delaying with Mustafi(or any other CB target) is the same. Wenger just waits for clubs to become more desperate (or the player to grow impatient) and knock off the price a bit.

I am not getting into pro's and cons of it, but barring exceptions that is the standard modus operandi of Arsene and the club.

Been saying this all along. If someone has an alternate explanation, then please tell. I mean if we can complete a deal of Mustafi this coming week, why coudn't we have done it before the opening game.

speedy

Because Valencia may want a bidding war. So does his agent if only one club is intrested arsenal don't need to negotiate wages they'll just make a decent offer and not budge. And his agent wouldn't have any bargaining chips.

Cannon

speedy wrote:
Because Valencia may want a bidding war. So does his agent if only one club is intrested arsenal don't need to negotiate wages they'll just make a decent offer and not budge. And his agent wouldn't have any bargaining chips.

So why can't we offer a little more and be done with it?

Is it worth starting Chambers and holding on the opening day?

speedy

Why didn't Real sign Bale at the start of the window? Why didn't MAnU sign pogba at the start of the window for 120M. Because you'll wait to see how much you can get.

If we bid 25m, a day later 27m and 2 days later 30m. They'd be thinking give this longer and see how much we can get.

Cannon

speedy wrote:
Why didn't Real sign Bale at the start of the window? Why didn't MAnU sign pogba at the start of the window for 120M. Because you'll wait to see how much you can get.

If we bid 25m, a day later 27m and 2 days later 30m. They'd be thinking give this longer and see how much we can get.

What are you on about!? Spurs held out for a record fee for a WC player. Pogba was all about Raiola fee and Pogba waiting to see if REAL came in for him.

Nothing of that sort is going on with mustafi. Neither is he WC with Real or Bayern after him and no one is foolish enough to expect us to pay record breaking fee for him. Plus there is always that Arsenal don't do bidding wars.

We have so many excuses for every situation!

speedy

They are familiar examples that's why I used them. City were after mangala for 2 seasons before they got him.

Barca wanted cesc for 3? Seasons before they got him.

Transfers take time. And they'll be hoping someone like Chelsea get involved. Barca were linked with this guy last season, us and Chelsea this season. They won't be bullied into a quick sale.

Ray

We didn't make a bid until last week, we could have done it a couple of weeks earlier and he would have been here for Liverpool.

marv3llous

Had we gotten him in straight after Mertesacker went down, would he have made a difference yesterday? Dont think 1 new CB would have made a big difference, tbh.

Ray

Who knows, he might have read Coutinho's second.

Cannon

marv3llous wrote:
Had we gotten him in straight after Mertesacker went down, would he have made a difference yesterday? Dont think 1 new CB would have made a big difference, tbh.

Marv lets not pretend its a one time thing. Its happened time and again! From the time we played Arshavin upfront for six months to when we bought arteta/per after 8-2, to the time when we woudn't pay a mill extra for Mark Schwarzer!

We are half cooked team on a wing and a prayer and no wonder we fail!

Qwiss

Klaus wrote:
Yeah, either we're haggling or there has been no serious discussion. We might just have enquired about him. Kicker claimed that there are no agreements in place either with the player or the club. They didn't make it sound like a transfer was imminent.

If we really wanted to bring Mustafi in I think this would have been done weeks ago. Valencia probably quoted us a fee that wasn't in line with what Wenger would consider spending on a defender who isn't world class. He expects to get Mats Hummels or Sergio Ramos for £30 million, not the guy who warms the bench behind the former in the national team. So now we're probably evaluating our options again in order to find someone who hits that sweet spot between age, talent, availability, resale value and quality hair.

You know if was being stingy and working within the real world I. Could live with it. If he had signed Williams for £12m for instance we would be decent at centre half for the season. Instead he wants better players for low prices. Its nonsense. The guys living in a fantasy world now.

Qwiss

speedy wrote:
They are familiar examples that's why I used them. City were after mangala for 2 seasons before they got him.

Barca wanted cesc for 3? Seasons before they got him.

Transfers take time. And they'll be hoping someone like Chelsea get involved. Barca were linked with this guy last season, us and Chelsea this season. They won't be bullied into a quick sale.

Did those teams start the season ridiculously deficient in the area of the player they were signing? No they didn't. We conceded 4 goals and that's in large part because the centre half issue remains unsolved. We have had all summer to sort this out. United made sure they got Pogba before the season started, Real were well able to wait for Bale because they already had loads of attacking talent. These situations are not analogues to our desperate lack of a centre half.

speedy

While I agree we leave ourself short. I don't think this instanceve is a great example of that.

We had kos, mert, gabriel all out. We could have the best set of cbs in the world but if your down to your fifth and forth choice it's always going to be a little ropey.

Kos will be back in a week and gabby only going injured in the last game.

Claudius

no, Speedy. this is a great example. it's clear that Gabriel isn't going to cut it. now both he and our captain are injured.
even if we had brought Koscielny back from holiday early to play yesterday, we'd still be in a situation where Koscielny is going to spend the fall and part of the winter partnering one of Holding/Chambers/Bilelik. it makes zero sense. Wenger is to blame here.

Shady

Gabriel and Mertesacker are not good enough anyway.

We have only one centre back at the club who is at an acceptable level.

That's why it was reckless to start the season with no new defensive signing.

speedy

Until the last game we had gabriel, kos(available in a week) chambers and holding as back up. That 4 options. Since Gabriels injury we've gone to sign a top quality replacement.

Cannon was arguing there was no reason we couldn't conclude this deal quickly I just said these things take time. And they do otherwise the transfer window would only be 72 hours or so.

goon

I'm not too fussed if deals drag on as long as we get our man by the end, only issue is that too often we don't. We're now entering that dangerous period when clubs don't want to sell their best players and you're relying on the domino effect to feed on scraps.

Ray

Well Kos isn't really available in a week, because he hasn't got fitness. Obviously you could always rush him back and play him straight in a PL game, and then the whole purpose of giving him time off is wasted when he gets injured.

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