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US Presidential Debate

Qwiss

I've become incredibly bored by the whole thing now, we need the debates to breath some life back into it. Right now Clinton is just sitting quietly while Trump eats himself.

MistaT

Voices from Trump Rallies....probably best your rock headphones or you'll be getting weird looks
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/us/politics/donald-trump-supporters.html

Mirth

This might be his best nutty statement yet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37035149

goon

I can't believe he meant it, and yet it wouldn't surprise me if he did. It did seem deliberately vague.

Used to think it'd be funny to see him get in power but it'd be terrifying.

Qwiss

Its ridiculous what people are focussing on with Trump. Shit like skewing this or his comments about hacking Clinton stuff (that wasn't supposed to exist) is nothing. Its just people blowing everything completely out of proportion. Focus on his actually terrible statements, there are enough, rather than this utter nothingness.

Rex

Wouldn't call this nothing myself.

MistaT

Or go with the humor

goon

Qwiss! wrote:
Its ridiculous what people are focussing on with Trump. Shit like skewing this or his comments about hacking Clinton stuff (that wasn't supposed to exist) is nothing. Its just people blowing everything completely out of proportion. Focus on his actually terrible statements, there are enough, rather than this utter nothingness.

Don't think hinting or appearing to hint that a bunch of gun nuts who hate Hilary should use their guns to stop her is nothing to be honest.

These little comments, whether just a really poor choice of words or deliberate, may not be as bad as some of his other statements but they still promote hate and violence.

Mirth

I listened to the original clip to get some context and I was blown away:

Not because of his latest bout of sensationalism but how utterly woeful he is at public speaking because luckily I've managed to go this long without listening to his speeches. In this case, I genuinely haven't got a clue what he's on about, his speech is just made up of buzzwords which gives scope for people to project whatever they want to hear.

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
Its ridiculous what people are focussing on with Trump. Shit like skewing this or his comments about hacking Clinton stuff (that wasn't supposed to exist) is nothing. Its just people blowing everything completely out of proportion. Focus on his actually terrible statements, there are enough, rather than this utter nothingness.

Spot on. Says enough about American media if a deliberately vague statement like the one posted by Mirth is worth headlines and dubbed "the worst of them all" and not his numerous "gaffes" regarding virtually every minority there is or his batshit insane fiscal programme

Qwiss

He only fell away in the polls after he was mean to a dead soldiers family. Military worship in the US is far more important than any policy issue. Its all about personality, politics really has fuck all to do with it.

Mirth

jones wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Its ridiculous what people are focussing on with Trump. Shit like skewing this or his comments about hacking Clinton stuff (that wasn't supposed to exist) is nothing. Its just people blowing everything completely out of proportion. Focus on his actually terrible statements, there are enough, rather than this utter nothingness.

Spot on. Says enough about American media if a deliberately vague statement like the one posted by Mirth is worth headlines and dubbed "the worst of them all" and not his numerous "gaffes" regarding virtually every minority there is or his batshit insane fiscal programme

In fairness the media are always going to cite his latest comments as the worst. It's clickbait.

Burnwinter

The term "stochastic terrorism" is interesting, and worth a moment to read about.

I've been noticing this as a trait in common of a lot of fascism-alike political figures in our era—probabilistic, indirect, speculatively coordinated violence. They aim to (often deniably) activate someone's damaged imaginary and see what springs up.

Obviously IS would be the reference point, I'm not sure Trump's remark about "second amendment people" fits the bill.

mags

There are way too many of Trump supporters who would love to pick up a gun and blast away....This use of violent language is appealing, the message in disguise, and it may sound vague but to some it ain't.......

mags

Burnwinter wrote:
The term "stochastic terrorism" is interesting, and worth a moment to read about.

I've been noticing this as a trait in common of a lot of fascism-alike political figures in our era—probabilistic, indirect, speculatively coordinated violence. They aim to (often deniably) activate someone's damaged imaginary and see what springs up.

Obviously IS would be the reference point, I'm not sure Trump's remark about "second amendment people" fits the bill.

A subliminal message?
Had to look up stochastic... 🙂
Trump is a poster boy for the concept....

Mirth

Qwiss! wrote:
He only fell away in the polls after he was mean to a dead soldiers family. Military worship in the US is far more important than any policy issue. Its all about personality, politics really has fuck all to do with it.

www.vox.com/2016/8/10/12423248/trump-disabled-reporter-clinton

jones

Mirth wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
He only fell away in the polls after he was mean to a dead soldiers family. Military worship in the US is far more important than any policy issue. Its all about personality, politics really has fuck all to do with it.

www.vox.com/2016/8/10/12423248/trump-disabled-reporter-clinton

55% are bothered "a lot" by Hillary's handling of the attack on Benghazi where four Americans have died but her overall work in the Middle East gets only 43%. Makes you almost wish Trump on the American people

flobaba

Lol. Wish away. Only problem is Trump would be a plague onto the entire world and not just America

Qwiss

The US will continue to be a plague on the world regardless of which strain of plague wins the presidency.

Claudius

Qwiss! wrote:
He only fell away in the polls after he was mean to a dead soldiers family. Military worship in the US is far more important than any policy issue. Its all about personality, politics really has fuck all to do with it.

Absolutely crazy when you think about. Some of the most talented politicians in the world. Men and women I really respect both at the top and in the grassroots. And it comes down to nonsensical soundbites.
On Trump - I think both the 2nd Amendment comment and the statement about Blood coming out of her whatever were conveniently twisted by Democrats. Easy to do when they come out of a provocative misogynist's mouth.

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