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speedy

BWoolley wrote:
Umtiti is a big no-no for me given his injury track record. Speedy - are knee injuries like his typically recurring in nature, i.e. they slow one down / handicap one for good or do you think he can make a full recovery? Therein lies the answer I would think.

Any injury is a massive risk factor to further injury. And you can pretty much see that just from watching football.

Recovery wise, Theirs a lot of factors to consider including serverity of the injury the structures involved the state of the knee before the injury. So Theo damaged the joint surface aswell as his ACL so his recovery was unlikely to be as good. Someone like danny ings has had 3-4 knee ops and looks like hes lost a ton of agility.

And then you have to thnk is that loss of a bit of pace or a bit of agility really going to hamper them. Someone like pirlo isn't not going to play any different, while someone like theo depending on the loss it could really take him down a peg.

Salah moves like a gymnasts I think he'd recover brilliantly because naturally he has such great control and body awareness and speed.

lorddulaarsenal

Being linked with Lewis Dunk and Joe Aribo (the happy world of Aribo)

BWoolley

I'd happily take both if they are reasonably priced (especially Aribo). We really need to strengthen our scouting in the lower leagues.

Anzac

There was an article after the BHA game that suggested we should look to sign both their CBs.
Can either play a genuine high defensive line & do they have any pace?
Same reservations re Maguire - particularly if we are to play a high defensive line and look to the FBs to overlap in the final 3rd.

Qwiss

Anzac wrote:
There was an article after the BHA game that suggested we should look to sign both their CBs.
Can either play a genuine high defensive line & do they have any pace?
Same reservations re Maguire - particularly if we are to play a high defensive line and look to the FBs to overlap in the final 3rd.

Nah they're both pretty slow. Not great passers either. One or the other as back up would be ok but as starters they'd be a bit underwhelming. I'd go for Tarkowski ahead of both. He's quicker, younger and better on the ball and just as good a defender. Maybe not quite as good as those 2 in the air.

MistaT

I'm not that worried by CBs having to be great in the air (a la Maguire), we're hardly troubled by crosses these days. Much more interested in a CB, or two, that can cover ground. Kos, Sok, Monreal and even Holding are all below par for pace.

Coombs

We need at least one guy who can do it all.

ohboy

We need pace and power in the air, and on the ground.

Burnley for example, could have scored a few from crosses just in the first half. They did eventually get one from a cross in the second half.

The thing about defenders, is that they all make mistakes. The good ones, seem to cover it up, and also make attackers doubt themselves.

We need bit of everything: physical play, pace at the back, good aerial ability, and also a bit of nastiness.

Dunk/Tarkowski/Mee for one spot would be fine by me

Umtiti/Konate/Manolas for another spot

Although Konate seems to tick all boxes

lorddulaarsenal

Agreed. Teams go into games with the feeling they can get at us

lorddulaarsenal

Seeing Mustafi’s little legs, Sokratis dad bod and Koscielny’s gormless face gives them all the confidence they need

ohboy

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
Seeing Mustafi’s little legs, Sokratis dad bod and Koscielny’s gormless face gives them all the confidence they need

😆

Exactly, we need a bit of fear.

Is not just pace, although we definitely need that at the back. Adams was never the quickest, but attackers used to hesitate slightly, Keown, Campbell, it has been a while to honest.

As a reader, Mertesacker was amazing, but he made Adams look like Walcott in comparison. Koscielny in his pomp, was the closest we have seen, but still we have lacked a top drawer defender for a long time.

jones

We really need to go for Umtiti, especially if Barca are retarded enough to actually go for Griezmann

Make a decent offer and see if they bite, they really have to make space for de Jong de Ligt + Griez and whoever else

Three year loan with option to buy
Barcelona pay 300% of his wages
20m penalty payment to us if his knee blows up
Buy option at 3.5m.

10m bonus if he wins Golden boot

Fucking take it or leave it

Klaus

How bad are Umtiti's injuries? He's world class when he's fit but we can't afford to get stuck with him if he's going to make 20 starts per season.

Bryant

I saw some houseboat sources that say that we have been linked to:

Apparently, Kannemann is the best center backs in South America.

lorddulaarsenal

Hmm seems ok

Anzac

Klaus wrote:
How bad are Umtiti's injuries? He's world class when he's fit but we can't afford to get stuck with him if he's going to make 20 starts per season.

When was his last major injury?
We know Bailly is currently frakked so we'd not be looking at him - has Umtiti shown he has fully recovered?

Anzac

Bryant wrote:
I saw some houseboat sources that say that we have been linked to:

Apparently, Kannemann is the best center backs in South America.

for what it's worth

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/125450/Show/Walter-Kannemann

doesn't seem all that

Ricky1985

http://dailycannon.com/2019/05/arsenal-liverpool-and-southampton-scouting-bristol-city-left-back-lloyd-kelly/

Along with Liverpool and Southampton, we are being linked with Bristol City youngster, Lloyd Kelly. He has played left back for them most of the season but is seen as a centreback long term. And plays there for England U20 and now U21s.

6'3" with impressive technique and looks a really good athlete:

lorddulaarsenal

Looks like he’d be good on the left of a back three

flobaba

Impressive. Reminds me of a young Carl Jenkinson.

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