Ricky no offence but do you even read the posts in the thread before you post? 😆 All of your questions were already answered in earlier posts.

The quote in your last post is untrue or at least lacks vital information; while it is confirmed that there is a release clause it won't be in effect until 2017 (clause has been reported to be anything between €25m and €35m). That part was also included in one of the earlier posts by the way 🙂

Klaus wrote:
jones wrote:

That's surprising to hear from someone who rates him as highly as you. If he goes he can go fuck himself.

I rate Ramsey; I've just never felt that he'd stick around for the rest of his career. He's been a United fan all his life and our fans treated him horribly when he struggled post injury. They still treat him pretty badly on social media. I think whatever allegiance he feels is towards Wenger for sticking with him and giving him his chance.

His current contract is up around the same time as Wenger's. Meanwhile, United have a dearth of competent midfielders - especially homegrown - and have been interested in him in the past. They're going to be back at the top quicker than us too at this rate, so there'll probably be a sporting incentive too. It just fits.

He did choose us instead of a much more appealing version of United though.

We were arguably more appealing to a young player at the time. He was practically guaranteed to get playing time and develop here.

Klaus wrote:
jones wrote:

That's surprising to hear from someone who rates him as highly as you. If he goes he can go fuck himself.

I rate Ramsey; I've just never felt that he'd stick around for the rest of his career. He's been a United fan all his life and our fans treated him horribly when he struggled post injury. They still treat him pretty badly on social media. I think whatever allegiance he feels is towards Wenger for sticking with him and giving him his chance.

His current contract is up around the same time as Wenger's. Meanwhile, United have a dearth of competent midfielders - especially homegrown - and have been interested in him in the past. They're going to be back at the top quicker than us too at this rate, so there'll probably be a sporting incentive too. It just fits.

There are dickheads at every club, pretty sure he's smart enought not to believe United fans are going to be inherently better than Arsenal's. I don't even think he was treated that badly to be honest; it's not like people were booing him for being injured but of course you'll get stick for playing like shit for a pretty long time, a good while after the injury too.

I wouldn't want to sell Ramsey (especially not to United) but I'd be tempted by silly money to be honest. Ramsey's game is depending too much on him being in absolute top form as it is pretty dangerous by nature; I thought so back when we were leading the league in 2013 even. I'd rather a midfielder who's content with dictating the tempo and offering passing options to the team in CM; Ramsey however becomes something of a necessity when we have duds like Ox or the current form of Theo occupying the forward spots.

Klaus wrote:

We were arguably more appealing to a young player at the time. He was practically guaranteed to get playing time and develop here.

Also the club flew him out to Wenger in Switzerland while United sent a sewer rat with an iPad.

jones wrote:

Ricky no offence but do you even read the posts in the thread before you post? 😆 All of your questions were already answered in earlier posts.

The quote in your last post is untrue or at least lacks vital information; while it is confirmed that there is a release clause it won't be in effect until 2017 (clause has been reported to be anything between €25m and €35m). That part was also included in one of the earlier posts by the way 🙂

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Sorry! I do normally, just haven't dipped into this thread until today really and so was a bit in the dark. I'm warming to this the more I read though.

if we are going to persist with the shitty 4-2-3-1 then i like the look of elneny/xhaka.

Xhaka is also a leader with a bit of steel about him and won't take any bollox from the opposition and let them bully us. Something we desperately need.

we haven't really been bullied in a while, we just play pedestrian football and are outrun quite often

We still get bullied by the likes of Stoke and Chelsea. Look what Costa done to us. Wankers like Arnautović love playing against us too.

Cross know nuts. He was adamant we are going after Wanyama and is trying to backtrack.

Haven't seen much Granit. Does he rock?

Clrnc wrote:

Cross know nuts. He was adamant we are going after Wanyama and is trying to backtrack.

True  😆

Named some others too just in case.

Never seen him play, don't know if he's any good tbh. The fee seems very high, especially for Wenger.

I like the fact that he's tall (1.85m). If we sign him it looks like it could be the end of Ramsey in CM. Also looks like Wenger is going back to a more physically capable and imposing central midfield, which is good news.

Agreed, but if our CM options are Xhaka, Elneny, Coquelin and Cazorla/youngster and Ozil at 10, that front three needs to be really free-scoring for that to work.

Dean (Afcamden) says talks are "quite advanced but not done and not at the fee mentioned".

BWoolley wrote:

Agreed, but if our CM options are Xhaka, Elneny, Coquelin and Cazorla/youngster and Ozil at 10, that front three needs to be really free-scoring for that to work.

That's the way it should be, imo. We shouldn't have to depend on our CMs for goals.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
BWoolley wrote:

Agreed, but if our CM options are Xhaka, Elneny, Coquelin and Cazorla/youngster and Ozil at 10, that front three needs to be really free-scoring for that to work.

That's the way it should be, imo. We shouldn't have to depend on our CMs for goals.

exactly. we won things with vieira/petit and vieira/gilberto.

Also sounds like he's quite headstrong and tough. This team has some serious psychological issues that needs gutting out.

ive only seen him play a handful of times, so this is probably meaningless. but he seems like pure CM. he can pass the ball with good range, he can shoot but isnt a scorer, and he can tackle but hes not an out and out DM.

so hes basically perfect.

looking forward to yelling "shacka! shacka!" in my living room

banduan wrote:

Haven't seen much Granit. Does he rock?

Well done. He'll be the bedrock of our midfield dominance. A pillar of resistance. Something to build a foundation upon. Sadly "igneous" isn't quite close enough to ignite or ignorant for it to be used as a pun.

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
BWoolley wrote:

Agreed, but if our CM options are Xhaka, Elneny, Coquelin and Cazorla/youngster and Ozil at 10, that front three needs to be really free-scoring for that to work.

That's the way it should be, imo. We shouldn't have to depend on our CMs for goals.

I agree and I would prefer that too. The only point I was making is that we need to overhaul our current front line (maybe keep Alexis and move him onto the right) to achieve that purpose (no Giroud, no Welbeck, no Chamberlain...)

In an ideal world, we would build a midfield to rival PSG's, which is the best in world football. We would dump a lot of folks - Flamini, Rosicky, Wilshere, Arteta, and replace them with Kroos and Xhaka. A midfield of Ozil, Kroos and Xhaka would give us the world class quality we used to enjoy in the Vieira/Silva/Edu/Parlour/Bergkamp days

Dump Wilshere? You're nuts.

mdgoonah41 wrote:

ive only seen him play a handful of times, so this is probably meaningless. but he seems like pure CM. he can pass the ball with good range, he can shoot but isnt a scorer, and he can tackle but hes not an out and out DM.

so hes basically perfect.

looking forward to yelling "shacka! shacka!" in my living room

Wouldn't pronounce it like that myself, but I'd guess it might sound a bit like the French name Jacques. Jacque-ahh. (Djaka)

He's interested then. Otherwise it would have been a flat out no.

As for how far it is, I'm still skeptical but Arsene's clearly interested. Off to youtube I go.

Xhaka says "That's all nonsense" when asked if Arsenal want him.

"There have been no negotiations with Arsene Wenger. There is nothing to fix. These are rumors and speculations that come up for a year. "

And: "If someone wants to have seen that my father has been negotiating with Arsenal, alleged to have been in London, he should show me the picture. No one from London has been here to negotiate. If someone claims to have seen this, he should come to me - I invite him to dinner. You can still write like this. "

Savz wrote:
mdgoonah41 wrote:

ive only seen him play a handful of times, so this is probably meaningless. but he seems like pure CM. he can pass the ball with good range, he can shoot but isnt a scorer, and he can tackle but hes not an out and out DM.

so hes basically perfect.

looking forward to yelling "shacka! shacka!" in my living room

Wouldn't pronounce it like that myself, but I'd guess it might sound a bit like the French name Jacques. Jacque-ahh. (Djaka)

Yeah, pretty sure it's more like a g sound like what you have above. Not a hard Sh

Pity, with a name like Granit he sounds like a hard man lol....

In the second part of the interview he states again though that the club and him will look at offers in the summer if there are any interesting ones available. Not a definite no in my book; might as well be just his club keeping the door open for a potential bidding war. Yes that's me clutching at straws.

Pronunciation of Xh in Albanian is virtually the same as the English 'G' or J in 'jungle' btw.

Savz wrote:

Dump Wilshere? You're nuts.

Who are you? 
You will continue to pay £4,5m a year for a guy who averages 13 games a season? And that number will only decline after this campaign. It's not good business. 

Claudius wrote:
Savz wrote:

Dump Wilshere? You're nuts.

Who are you? 

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Jack Wilshere is such a good player, so determined, has goal scoring potential. We're hardly ever dull when Jack is in the team. Yes injuries are frustrating, but no way would I say bin him. No way at all. Nor will Wenger, especially when we had a decade of injuries from Diaby and almost a decade of injuries with Rosicky and we stuck with them both.

Plus he's only 24!

If the injuries persist for another 2 seasons or so, then I'd be think about it, but not now.

£4.5m per season? Our cash balance is £228m.

Our revenue went up from 148m in 14/15, to 160m in the first six months of 15/17. We got lots of money.

We're going to see the revue skyrocket again this summer with the new broadcasting deals in place.

So £4m per year? Minor.

Looks a bit like Petit in those compilations, but I want us to sign a midfielder who is much better on the ball. We are very vulnerable under pressure and we give the ball away far too often and far too easily.