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USArsenal

and Costa may be facing another 4 game retroactive ban.. lulz..

goon

I can only assume others at the club, i.e. the coaching staff, Roman and the directors are fully in agreement with his views because you'd have thought they'd have told him to cut it out by now. But he seems to be falling deeper and deeper into tin foil hat mode, which suggests to me that others are enabling him.

I must admit though, I did like him telling the journalists that he'll give them some new glasses and some personality. If they did they'd have laid into him a lot harder than they have thus far.

Klaus

otfgoon wrote:
I can only assume others at the club, i.e. the coaching staff, Roman and the directors are fully in agreement with his views because you'd have thought they'd have told him to cut it out by now.

I think it's more a case of the board thinking: "He won us the league last year; he deserves our support when it's not going well and a proper chance to turn this around." It's the correct attitude to be fair. The rest of it is stuff that will be forgotten once he's on a winning streak again. No need on their part to put extra pressure on him from within when he's already dealing so poorly with it from the outside.

Still, it's funny how utterly and completely Mourinho fails the Martin Luther King quote about the true measure of a man being where he stands in times of challenge and controversy... Although he had zero dignity and humility in moments of comfort and convenience too, to be honest. At least he's consistent that way.

Mirth

Wenger had it right when he said giving success to a stupid man would only make him more stupid. 😆

Whatever you want to say about Wenger, he's never had a full meltdown or thrown a tantrum like Ferguson and Mourinho do when things go badly. He's got his own flaws but they're not a failure of character

jones

Mirth wrote:
Wenger had it right when he said giving success to a stupid man would only make him more stupid. 😆

Just a couple of posts ago:

jones wrote:
The man is 52 years old, it's way too late to change now. Wenger had it spot on in his assessment of him during his first spell at Chelsea when he said that giving success to stupid people can make people more stupid and not more intelligent.

Great minds and all that. 🙂

y va marquer

Speaking on the BBC's Sportsweek programme, Richardson said: “Let me tell you what I know on the Chelsea story. My information comes from a Chelsea first team player.

“The information was actually passed to me by a football contact.

“I was told they’re fed up with the way he’s been dealing with some of them. They’re fed up with his outbursts.

"I was told that his relationship particularly with Eden Hazard was under immense strain.

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"Here's a staggering quote. One player said recently, 'I'd rather lose than win for him'. Now that last quote may well have been said in the heat of the moment, but it perhaps gives an insight into the mood of some of the players."

Klaus

Love it. This stuff leaking out in the media is bound to put even more pressure on their dressing room.

Hazard does look like someone who doesn't want to be at Chelsea at the moment too. It's easy to believe the idea that he and Mourinho don't get along. We talked about how Rooney looks finished as a footballer in the other thread, but for all intents and purposes Hazard has been a worse player this season. At least the troll is trying.

jones

Hazard is obviously way better than what he's showing at the moment but even at his very best he's not a patch on someone like Neymar. You would have thought he's the best player in the world (outside the obvious two) listening to pundits and 'journalists' last season.

Klaus

Yeah, I don't get the hype either that way. People acting like he'd walk into Barca and Real Madrid. I thought Agüero was a class above last season even though he wasn't exactly running at optimal settings.

Hazard is a good player though, and he contributed with most of the little creativity Chelsea have in their side. I get that he doesn't want to become another cog in a boring system. Mourinho does this to individually gifted players if you give him enough time. Look at how he reduced Joe Cole to some two-bob flank runner. Look at how Oscar's development has stalled. He even turned a prime Eto'o into a winger. 😆

goon

Danny Murphy was trying to claim Hazard has been just as good as he was last season. He also claimed the back four is fine. Pretty much blamed poor fitness (because they started pre-season a whole week later than everyone else), low confidence and bad luck for Chelsea's decline.

Quickly rising to one of the worst pundits around I reckon.

Art

Is Pedro injured? Pretty amazing he didn't even make it to their matchday squad.

Mirth

Chelsea are cut from the same cloth right down to whoever writes their match reports:

http://www.football365.com/news/official-chelsea-match-report-a-thing-of-beauty

😆

Burnwinter

Said it in the Premier League thread but the players are working to get Mourinho sacked. The moment he goes they'll be a dangerous force all over again.

marv3llous

Yep, fully agree with Burnsy. Its clear that there is a revolt in the dressing room and its too much for him to handle now. He let it out of his control and he will pay with his job.

Mirth

It's happened before as well.

goon

Burnwinter wrote:
Said it in the Premier League thread but the players are working to get Mourinho sacked. The moment he goes they'll be a dangerous force all over again.

I'm hoping he's done some long term damage. I'm not convinced all of these guys will automatically go back to the peak of their game.

Burnwinter

The cost of paying Mourinho out is probably about the same as the lost revenue from a season out of the Champions League.

They break even or double up on those losses now if they bring a new manager in, based on whether that person can effect a turnaround that would at a minimum require closing the eleven point gap to fourth.

And the longer they wait and languish, the more incentive to sack Mourinho and the harder the job for whoever is appointed.

Secondary issues are the possibility Mourinho has alienated the most valuable player in the dressing room, and the huge setback to the stated desire of the club to move away from constant transition and towards a more stable, prudent and inexpensive way of operating.

It's all quite delightful.

Burnwinter

@Otf You'd expect an epic bounce for a few matches based on both collective relief and individual incentives, then a transitional period as the new manager imposes his tactics and recovers a few careers in stasis, then steady improved performances.

goon

Who knows, the situation is a little unprecedented. Will be fun to watch how it all unravels though.

Meanwhile, a year ago:

Burnwinter

😆 Don't know about outgrowing the league, but they've certainly gone to another dimension lately.

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