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Klopp, Ancelotti or wait n hitch our skirt up to Pep

Bryant

Diego Simeone. Since we didn't spend anything on transfers, we could pay that release fee from his contract. I doubt he would say no if we offered him 10m+ pounds a year to coach here.

Claudius

well, let's see. while we sit around with Wenger, other clubs will get
Liverpool - Klopp
City - Guardiola
Chelsea - Simeone
United - Mourinho

3 of those would have been attractive replacements for Wenger

dreamlord

Klopp is overrated and will get found out again next season. I'd bet on it.

Guardiola is joining City at the perfect time - they will be comfortably ahead both in terms of spending power and prestige at the end of the season, just like he had it with Bayern.

Klaus

It'll be interesting to see what Klopp does in the next two transfer windows. Allegedly one of his demands in order to take the job was that he got a lot more freedom to sign players than Rodgers ever had. You can allow for the struggle so far given the squad he has to work with, but he'll be directly responsible for what he's building. I wonder if he can do it. Michael Zorc was always the architect behind Dortmund's signings.

Segway

Klopp's achievements at Dortmund speak for themselves. Of course he isn't overrated. Even if everything goes tits up for him at Liverpool I would still like to see him succeed Wenger.

dreamlord

What about when Mainz got relegated? Or when Dortmund had 13 wins all season? His approach, like Mourinho's style of player management, can't work for more than a couple of years.

goon

Klopp's style requires the right players playing for him. I said before he even started that Liverpool don't have the players to implement his style. In fact, I don't think they have the players to implement any sort of style. They're a mess from back to front.

Rex

If Wenger really loves this club he should step down if a top manager is available to succeed him this summer.

Segway

dreamlord wrote:
What about when Mainz got relegated? Or when Dortmund had 13 wins all season? His approach, like Mourinho's style of player management, can't work for more than a couple of years.

Even the greatest and most successful managers in history have blips in their careers. Ultimately you can only maximize your players' potential to a certain point. And Liverpool suffers from having a great amount of expensive yet shit players. Sakho, Lallana as they showed again today are mid table quality at best. And this Summer they added Firmino and Benteke to that list for over 50m combined so Klopp probably hasn't even got a lot of wriggle room in the transfer market.

jones

dreamlord wrote:
What about when Mainz got relegated? Or when Dortmund had 13 wins all season? His approach, like Mourinho's style of player management, can't work for more than a couple of years.

Mainz are/were a shithouse club the size of Wigan or Ipswich, no shame in getting relegated with them. That they are even a regular Bundesliga club now is mostly down to his work in his first few years of management. His last season at Dortmund is certainly a spot on his reputation, but then again that would be like judging Wenger on his shit season at Monaco when he got fired.

I'm not even a big fan of Klopp, and I also think that he won't be able to create a legacy as long as Wenger at any club because of his approach (which still easily has way more longevity to it than Mourinho's) but let's be honest here, he's a quality manager and he'd be a success here and at Liverpool probably too.

Ricky1985

I think Klopp could easily flop at Liverpool. He had some truly exceptional players to work with at Dortmund, not sure how his managerial ability will hold up working with much lesser players. He's no Arsene in that respect, and I actually really mean that.

Clrnc

Klopp's record at Liverpool has been pretty bad in comparison to Rodgers.

Of course he is quality though, no doubting that. Just see how Liverpool played City few weeks ago. He just need more time. His first season at Dortmund wasn't exactly flawless anyway.

jones

Klopp came in mid-season to manage a team that's frankly garbage bar a couple players here or there. Don't think the importance of a meaningful pre-season is stressed enough here, guys like Henderson or Skrtel look barely literate, don't think they'll understand the instructions he's giving out to them right off the bat.

Segway

Ricky1985 wrote:
I think Klopp could easily flop at Liverpool. He had some truly exceptional players to work with at Dortmund, not sure how his managerial ability will hold up working with much lesser players. He's no Arsene in that respect, and I actually really mean that.

There were a couple of exceptional players in that Dortmund team but surely the squad was not exceptional at all looking at the individual players. Have you also forgotten how entertaining their brand of football was? He's also no Mourinho. Surely Klopp deserves all the credit in the world for his achievements there.

lorddulaarsenal

Wonder if Klopp's high intensity style isn't best suited to the prem as many teams also adopt it

lorddulaarsenal

Marcelino Toral is a top manager

innervisionscm

Segway wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
I think Klopp could easily flop at Liverpool. He had some truly exceptional players to work with at Dortmund, not sure how his managerial ability will hold up working with much lesser players. He's no Arsene in that respect, and I actually really mean that.

There were a couple of exceptional players in that Dortmund team but surely the squad was not exceptional at all looking at the individual players. Have you also forgotten how entertaining their brand of football was? He's also no Mourinho. Surely Klopp deserves all the credit in the world for his achievements there.

Dortmund had an extremely talented squad in the early-mid Klopp years. Hummels, Piszczek, Sahin, Gündogan, Reus, Lewandowski, Götze... that's a huge team.

Art

Klaus wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what Klopp does in the next two transfer windows. Allegedly one of his demands in order to take the job was that he got a lot more freedom to sign players than Rodgers ever had. You can allow for the struggle so far given the squad he has to work with, but he'll be directly responsible for what he's building. I wonder if he can do it. Michael Zorc was always the architect behind Dortmund's signings.

Has he? I thought one of his big things was that he disliked and didn't want to be involved with player negotiations at all 😆

Klaus

Not sure about player negotiation, I think they have legal representatives to trash out the finer details, but apparently Klopp has the final word when it comes to who they sign. Liverpool had a transfer committee last summer which consisted of Rodgers and three other people who all had equal votes, and Klopp didn't want to work like that (which is understandable).

ElGeniodeOviedo

innervisionscm wrote:
Segway wrote:
There were a couple of exceptional players in that Dortmund team but surely the squad was not exceptional at all looking at the individual players. Have you also forgotten how entertaining their brand of football was? He's also no Mourinho. Surely Klopp deserves all the credit in the world for his achievements there.

Dortmund had an extremely talented squad in the early-mid Klopp years. Hummels, Piszczek, Sahin, Gündogan, Reus, Lewandowski, Götze... that's a huge team.

To be fair to Klopp, a couple of those players (Sahin, Piszczek, Kuba amongst others) seemed to have hit new heights in Klopp's peak there and have (arguably) declined thereafter. So perhaps he deserves some credit for bringing them to a higher level.

Obviously there's no disputing the talent of Gundogan, Lewandowski, and Goetze but under Klopp's tutelage they went from promising players to legitimate stars. Plenty of players with obvious talent don't succeed, for various reasons

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