Champions League 2015/2016: Page 39 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Champions League 2015/2016

QuincyAbeyie

Perhaps I misunderstood, but isn't that exactly what you criticized BT Sport for saying? That he's a better player for being a vicious cunt.

Ricky1985

It was more the implication that Torres is a disgrace for getting himself sent off, but Suarez is brilliant and the two outrageous acts of thuggery just make him the player that he is.

I'm not saying it's not true but he is the disgrace and he should be castigated for it, not Torres. Stupid, yes, let his team mates down, yes, but working hard to make tackles for his team - which Torres has always been poor at. Suarez wasn't working hard or thinking of his team mates when he slapped and kicked his opponents for no reason except he's got a screw loose. He disgraced himself and let down his team mates, except he wasn't punished for reasons unknown and so now he's a hero.

QuincyAbeyie

If, as you say, Suarez wouldn't be as good a player if he didn't do these things, then I can't see how doing them is letting his team mates down.

Clrnc

Most top players has a vicious side in them. Ronaldo, Ibra, Neymar, Higuain etc. They have a competitive streak because they want to win badly. I would take them every time as compared to someone like Walcott's "nice" temperament.

Tony Montana

Ricky1985 wrote:
It was more the implication that Torres is a disgrace for getting himself sent off, but Suarez is brilliant and the two outrageous acts of thuggery just make him the player that he is.

I'm not saying it's not true but he is the disgrace and he should be castigated for it, not Torres. Stupid, yes, let his team mates down, yes, but working hard to make tackles for his team - which Torres has always been poor at. Suarez wasn't working hard or thinking of his team mates when he slapped and kicked his opponents for no reason except he's got a screw loose. He disgraced himself and let down his team mates, except he wasn't punished for reasons unknown and so now he's a hero.

The ref didn't see it, that's the reason.

Jed

We had plenty of bastards in our team. Vieira, Keown, Bergkamp, Lauren, Lehmann. Even the likes of Pires could dish it out when needed. No gooner ever complained.

They were winners and never let an opponent rest.

Now we have people like Theo who won't hurt a fly and won't win you anything.

Suarez is a cunt but guess what he's also a winner and Barcelona won't swap him with anyone, simples.

Segway

Uefalona struck again last night I see.

Klaus

The best player on the planet is a dwarf-sized boy scout. Walcott's problem is that he's not very good, not his bland personality or mild manners.

Clrnc

Messi doesn't belong to this planet though. He is so good he doesn't even need to dive.

dreamlord

Klaus wrote:
The best player on the planet is a dwarf-sized boy scout. Walcott's problem is that he's not very good, not his bland personality or mild manners.

Hey did you not see when Messi did this?

Bet Theo couldn't do that...

Rex

Clrnc wrote:
Most top players has a vicious side in them. Ronaldo, Ibra, Neymar, Higuain etc. They have a competitive streak because they want to win badly. I would take them every time as compared to someone like Walcott's "nice" temperament.

Jed wrote:
We had plenty of bastards in our team. Vieira, Keown, Bergkamp, Lauren, Lehmann. Even the likes of Pires could dish it out when needed. No gooner ever complained.

They were winners and never let an opponent rest.

Now we have people like Theo who won't hurt a fly and won't win you anything.

Suarez is a cunt but guess what he's also a winner and Barcelona won't swap him with anyone, simples.

I can't believe the excuses that are being made for an absolute trash, piece of shit, sad excuse for a human being like Bitey. It is absolutely ridiculous IMO to compare anything any of those other players were/are doing to the shit Bitey is known for and then trying to explain it away with 'he is a winner'. How much of a winner was he at Liverpool by the way? Uruguay? It isn't like he transformed a shit Barcelona side into this juggernaut we are now seeing; they are sort of used to winning shit on a regular basis there.

Tactics

Personally I don't get why fans get worked up by what footballers do on the pitch. Being impulsive doesn't make you a bad person, some people just find it difficult to control themselves during certain situations, it's wired in them. People who know such footballers are often shocked by their antics because they are totally different off the pitch. Suarez for example, is by all accounts, a very decent human being. He's loved by his team mates and is a model pro/husband/father.

There is another group of footballers that are always in control of what they do on camera but are horrible humans off it. Giggs is a perfect example of that. You also have rats like Fabregas who is always the perfect guy on camera. Would you really rather such people?

Point is, it's pointless hating someone based on what you see on camera especially for something they can't control/change - I find it irrational if you do. Of course when it comes to players from rival teams there is no rationality involved, they are all cunts and the enemy.

Besides, I believe people are slective in who they hate. Some players do the same things they hate other players for but they choose to turn a blind eye to it. I have seen Ronaldo for example, punch players, leaves his studs in to hurt others etc and I have not even mentioned all the diving, showboating to humuliate others (no wonder he's whistled in almost every stadium he plays) etc But the very people who hate Suarez for his antics still love Ronaldo. Neymar, who is everyone's favourite footballer, is every bit as bad as Ronaldo. That very Atletico team that people feel sorry for at the moment based their game around thuggery, they thrive on all the things we get incensed about when we play Stoke City.

I have come to accept most footballers are a bunch of cry babies, so I try to cut all that nonsense out and concentrate on the football.
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Qwiss

The idea that Suarez is impulsive and just can't control himself is bullshit IMO. He's a calculating cheat that is so regularly up to some sort of shenanigans that he often goes way too far. Its not part of what makes him a winner, it detracts from the things that make him a brilliant footballer.

What even more absurd is the notion that if Theo started biting people and throwing around racial slurs he'd somehow be a better player.

Tactics

Qwiss! wrote:
The idea that Suarez is impulsive and just can't control himself is bullshit IMO. He's a calculating cheat that is so regularly up to some sort of shenanigans that he often goes way too far. Its not part of what makes him a winner, it detracts from the things that make him a brilliant footballer.

What even more absurd is the notion that if Theo started biting people and throwing around racial slurs he'd somehow be a better player.

Trained professionals (psychologists) disagree with you.
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Qwiss

😆 Ok

Tactics

I dunno why the lol but I'm not making this up.

jones

I can see where Tactics is coming from, what calculation leaves your teeth in the neck of your opposition in the WC after you've been banned twice already for doing that? He certainly does a lot of other stuff with the intention to wind the opponent up but he clearly has a couple of screws loose.

Tactics

jones wrote:
I can see where Tactics is coming from, what calculation leaves your teeth in the neck of your opposition in the WC after you've been banned twice already for doing that? He certainly does a lot of other stuff with the intention to wind the opponent up but he clearly has a couple of screws loose.

Indeed and he's actually made the effort to seek professional help. This not Barton (who is a thug both on and off the pitch) we are talking about. You don't hear any nonsense associated with a lot of footballers off the pitch with suarez. No drink driving, fighting in the street or night clubs, cheating on their wives (this should not be taken for granted for someone in a priviledged position as him, we have heard about a lot of 'good' guys doing the absolute no no: Beckham, Tiger Woods, even my hero (king Henry) etc).
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Temo

I think a cunty attitude definitely translates onto the pitch. Sometimes in a good way and sometimes not.

dreamlord

Yeah, Suarez definitely seems impulsive. The alternative is that he's stupid enough to go to a club like Barca, where all the cameras are bound to on him and his team, and still scheme and pull off shit like that.

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