Clrnc wrote:

Moreno equalises! United fans must hate him now. Everything is about him today

That's kinda funny.

He's scored now.

Also Draxler and Dimaria on the scoresheets on full debuts.

Mirth wrote:

Klaus wrote:

The biggest joke is that Moreno got to stay on. Not even a yellow card for that tackle.

Meh, the rules are a farce anyway. Even if he got a red, he'll be back in three games while Shaw won't kick a ball for a year but we've all said it before. Good defenders don't break legs, talentless thugs do.

Luckily (?) it's not near his ankle, so it might not be the worst case scenario for him.

I watched it a few times and I have to say Luke Shaw was just unlucky. Moreno's trailing leg caused the break and no doubt it was wreckless, but he won the ball cleanly and everybody thought it was a corner.

Whoop. Draxler and Griezmann with goals. Two for the latter.

Clrnc wrote:

Mirth wrote:

Meh, the rules are a farce anyway. Even if he got a red, he'll be back in three games while Shaw won't kick a ball for a year but we've all said it before. Good defenders don't break legs, talentless thugs do.

Luckily (?) it's not near his ankle, so it might not be the worst case scenario for him.

I watched it a few times and I have to say Luke Shaw was just unlucky. Moreno's trailing leg caused the break and no doubt it was wreckless, but he won the ball cleanly and everybody thought it was a corner.

...I'm sorry but what?

Do you even football?

A reckless tackle is dangerous play and always has been. Same as when you jump in two footed and win the ball, despite your opponent being thrown into the air. That's why those sort of tackles are discouraged, because someone could break a leg!

What 'everyone thought' in real time is immaterial.

It didn't look aggressive in real time. Praying for Shaw. Hope he doesn't fade like Eduardo and Diaby.

Claudius wrote:

It didn't look aggressive in real time. Praying for Shaw. Hope he doesn't fade like Eduardo and Diaby.

He's not that kind of player.

Mirth wrote:

A reckless tackle is dangerous play and always has been.

Yeah, exactly. Touching the ball doesn't make a tackle legal. People go in the way Moreno did because referees don't enforce the rules about dangerous play enough. We have those rules precisely because stuff like this tend to happen when you put 22 barely literal idiots on a pitch and tell them to kick the same ball.

It's a poor tackle, and depending on how much damage it did it might just have ended up costing Shaw his career.

Tell me what kind of player he is

Oh man. I just transferred him into my fantasy team

Mirth wrote:

...I'm sorry but what?

Do you even football?

A reckless tackle is dangerous play and always has been. Same as when you jump in two footed and win the ball, despite your opponent being thrown into the air. That's why those sort of tackles are discouraged, because someone could break a leg!

What 'everyone thought' in real time is immaterial.

But it wasn't dangerous play, it wasn't 2-footed, it wasn't a high challenge. He went in cleanly to block the shot and Shaw was shaping to shoot which caused the damage. There was no intent or malice involved.

Claudius wrote:

Tell me what kind of player he is

He's a pointless skid mark who isn't even as good as one legged Shaw.

Clrnc wrote:

Mirth wrote:

...I'm sorry but what?

Do you even football?

A reckless tackle is dangerous play and always has been. Same as when you jump in two footed and win the ball, despite your opponent being thrown into the air. That's why those sort of tackles are discouraged, because someone could break a leg!

What 'everyone thought' in real time is immaterial.

But it wasn't dangerous play, it wasn't 2-footed, it wasn't a high challenge.

But he used 'excessive force' and was 'reckless'. That is enough for it to be dangerous play.

2 footed tackles or high challenges are other examples of dangerous play - not the limits of dangerous play.

He went in cleanly to block the shot and Shaw was shaping to shoot which caused the damage.

How on earth can you call that a clean tackle when his follow through tears Shaw's leg off?

There was no intent or malice involved.

This literally does not matter. I thought after years of Dan Smith, Martin Taylor and Ryan Shawcross, you'd understand that intent doesn't count for jack shit. If anything, it makes you even more of a lumbering oaf since you can't even control yourself.

Memphis is a handful in Europe. Really moves a lot, gets direct.

Every sliding tackle that results in contact with the opposition player is dangerous play in theory.

Kompany scores for City.

Kompany scores. A clear foul on Chiellini and the ref didn't see it.

otfgoon wrote:

Every sliding tackle that results in contact with the opposition player is dangerous play in theory.

We are talking about two objects moving at speeds of up to 30km/h. The margins are often so thin. 

otfgoon wrote:

Every sliding tackle that results in contact with the opposition player is dangerous play in theory.

Howard Webb on BT reckoned the ref got it "just about" right