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arsedocmd

Hold on, back up. Since we're a bunch of know-it-alls here, we gotta start from the beginning and give qualifiers to your statements.

claude- Do you remember the case, and if so what convinced you that he did it? Any point that sticks out or the whole sequence of events?
goon- why you say lawyer be bad?
Qwiss- what you mean 'seemed guilty'...based on what?

I'm in the Jens line of thinking--reading up on the prosecution's case files it sounds like he did it, but there's reasonable doubt if I were a juror. The motive is very weak, the timeline of 21 minutes from school to murder in the middle of day and call seems too short.

It seems there's another podcast by the name Undisclosed with more info on this case. The lawyer chick rabia seems like she won't let this go. No idea how they are placing other suspects at the crime scene though.

The narrator's presentation style-not a fan. Also, she seemed to be making big deals out of simple things just to muddy it all up. Making a murderer was very biased too. Not sold on these type of materials.

Jens

You should check out The Staircase if you haven’t already. Very compelling case and narrator free.

Asterix

Watched a doco on Netflix called Fyre - about the failed attempts to run a music festival in The Bahamas last year, and the incredible fraud perpetrated by the organisers. Worth a watch. Salutary lesson for those who are silly enough to be influenced by social media models / influencers as well.

arsedocmd

Jens wrote:
You should check out The Staircase if you haven’t already. Very compelling case and narrator free.

Cheers, will check it out. The OJ serial on FX was great though.

I like to wait till the series ends before watching it in toto but I read that the hbo series is going after the other elder boyfriend Don. And this came up twitter today.

goon

arsedoc md wrote:
Hold on, back up. Since we're a bunch of know-it-alls here, we gotta start from the beginning and give qualifiers to your statements.

goon- why you say lawyer be bad?

I don't remember all the details, they cover it in the podcast, but not following up on a potential alibi is a big one. There was a load of other stuff she missed that they highlighted from the podcast, some of the evidence used against him was faulty to say the least, like the stuff with the cell towers which she did a pretty awful job of rebuffing. I was reading on the Beeb the other day that his right to appeal was recently overturned, but the judges acknowledged that his defence team wasn't up to scratch.

FEBravo

Yeah one court ordered a new trial, and it was upheld on the first appeal, but then another court recently held that although his counsel was ineffective, it would not have affected the outcome, which I sort of find hard to understand frankly. The cell tower data and the alibi witness were the big ones, and there was a lot of reliance placed by the cops on the dodgy friend who was the key witness. I don't think Sayed is squeaky clean or clearly innocent like that poor kid (Brendan?) in Making a murderer, but there are some huge holes there in the prosecution story. The point is that he may have done it, but they don't seem to be really able to satisfactorily explain how or the timeline, and much of what they presented didn't make much sense is my recollection, and would have been easily rebutted by a competent lawyer. My take was that the cops jumped the gun based on the dodgy friend's account, and the whole thing may have been racially motivated a bit too, but in a subtle way.

arsedocmd

Apparently there were a couple of people willing to testify that the alibi got into a fight with them about wanting to lie in order to help Adnan. But yea, the lawyer didn't even contact the alibi...strange.

Claudius

My thoughts are much in line with Bravo.
Such an inequitable criminal justice system. It gives us this:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/michael-cohen-likely-to-serve-jail-time-with-other-famous-faces

I wonder if Adnan has picnics with Rabia.

Jens

Currently rewatching The Shield. Really love the show but only watched it one time. It's one of the few 'case of the week' type shows I can stomach, mainly because they do a great job intertwining longer storylines along with it.

Another thing that strikes me is how well thought out some of the subplot storylines not involving the Strike Team are, Dutch and Claudette stuff in particular. Dutch is such a likeable character.

USArsenal

I loved the shield. obviously many others did as well since it was on for so long. the ending of the show was quite understatedly brilliant

Rex

Yeah, for sure. One of the very best endings of a show that I can think of.

QuincyAbeyie

I've wanted to watch The Shield for so long, but I hate "case of the week".

Klaus

Like most shows it starts out in procedural format to establish characters and setting, and then evolves into season-long arcs instead. The latter seasons have almost no case of the week episodes from what I remember... and the show makes a nice, unspoken point of it too. As things start spiralling out of control the routines get uprooted.

goon

I have to say it's been a long time since I watched it but I completely forgot that it was 'case of the week' show. I only remember the season-long arcs.

The Shield ending was traumatic.

[spoiler]Even something as simple as Vic being stuck behind a desk for the rest of his career was a brilliant touch. I felt suffocated myself.[/spoiler]

Klaus

goon:

[spoiler]The moment when Ronnie realises that Vic has sold him out is so amazingly tense too. Not that Ronnie didn't deserve to go to jail, but he always stood out to me as the least guilty (irrelevant might be a better word) of the strike team, like he had gotten involved in most of the stuff indirectly or because of comraderie. It surprised me how much I felt for him in that moment. He wasn't even supposed to be a regular character in the beginning, I think the actor knew Shawn Ryan and did him a favour by filling in for a few episodes because money was tight. He had a great development though. One of the hidden treasures of the show. He ended up being the best friend Vic could ever ask for, and then he suffered the ultimate betrayal. There was a sense that they were going to make a big example out of him just because they couldn't get to Vic.[/spoiler]

arsedocmd

The shield ending has prolly been discussed about half a dozen times here.

Ugh, I'm just miserable and need to log off.

goon

Klaus
[spoiler]Yep, they did a great job with the squad in general in terms of keeping you invested if pretty much every single one. Lem 🙁[/spoiler]

Normally you just hope the finale just lives up to the series as a whole or even just not a disaster. I can't think of many other shows where it felt like the culmination of everything that came before.

Jens

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I've wanted to watch The Shield for so long, but I hate "case of the week".

I'm with you, but this is one of the only shows not to be lazy with it and to do it right. They do a great job of letting some of the cases and suspects pop in and out throughout the shows run, and some even stay unresolved, keeping you guessing as it's not always gonna be a done deal. Other times the cases will push along the main plot, and sometimes it's just for advancing the relationship between detectives Dutch and Claudette, the heart of the show.

Gazza M

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I've wanted to watch The Shield for so long, but I hate "case of the week".

That's the only thing that stopped it just short of being great for me. Those damn side quests. Its still worth watching for the primary storyline, which is harrowing and gripping in equal measure

Claudius

Watched bits of the Apple presentation today because I'm interested in how they build an integrated services platform. I thought they had the right set of services, in line with what the large providers have been offering in China if not as slick. But my, what a mess. The presentation was so choppy with over half a dozen different people, and no clear thread throughout of what it was that they were building, in terms of integrated services environment. Completely lost the plot at some point by just handing over the stage to TV stars and Big Bird. Bedlam.

You need to tell a clear narrative that connects all of these services together and to the consumer, and then to the Street so they can understand why the company is transforming in this direction. Big Bird. Seriously

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