y va marquer wrote:
jones wrote:

They might have a "perfect right" to do so but so does he in telling them to shove it. Nobody should be forced to do anything because someone plays some shitty melody, regardless of country or occasion.

Where did I say that he does not have a right to protest?
As for the point regarding him being forced to do so: if this falls somehow within the terms of his contract as a WBA player then he should neither have signed nor been offered the contract.

Well none of us are actually privy to his contract but I'd imagine its the standard stuff about not bringing the club into disrepute.

At the end of the day he's an employee of a business and unless he espouses support for a violent or illegal organisation his politics or beliefs are no business of his employer.

y va marquer wrote:

How's that?

Because you can't force other people to respect a symbol of your state just because you do.

@ Biggus, don't they become the business of his employer if he proclaims them publicly whilst wearing the shirt and playing for the club?

Certainly not he's not a slave.
But I take your point about him being a bit strange, if you feel so strongly about something why take the queens schilling?

Qwiss! wrote:
y va marquer wrote:

How's that?

Because you can't force other people to respect a symbol of your state just because you do.

Well excluding the part where I said "[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro] by those playing for and representing an English club" changes the meaning and the logic alright.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]I would not view it as "forcing to respect" - I would class it as expecting that it not be disrespected.[/font][/size]

[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]At every GAA game we go to the Manc stands and faces the tricolour - he doesn't particularly want to, yet neither does he want to disrespect me or those around him.[/font][/size]

Biggus wrote:

Certainly not he's not a slave.
But I take your point about him being a bit strange, if you feel so strongly about something why take the queens schilling?

That's my question too.
I genuinely don't get it, seems very superficial to me.

y va marquer wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:

Because you can't force other people to respect a symbol of your state just because you do.

Well excluding the part where I said "[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro] by those playing for and representing an English club" changes the meaning and the logic alright.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]I would not view it as "forcing to respect" - I would class it as expecting that it not be disrespected.[/font][/size]

[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]At every GAA game we go to the Manc stands and faces the tricolour - he doesn't particularly want to, yet neither does he want to disrespect me or those around him.[/font][/size]

And if he didn't face the flag would you want him to leave Ireland and stop earning a living here?

Got to punish him for the Manc-ness within though right?

Qwiss! wrote:
y va marquer wrote:

Well excluding the part where I said "[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro] by those playing for and representing an English club" changes the meaning and the logic alright.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]I would not view it as "forcing to respect" - I would class it as expecting that it not be disrespected.[/font][/size]

[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]At every GAA game we go to the Manc stands and faces the tricolour - he doesn't particularly want to, yet neither does he want to disrespect me or those around him.[/font][/size]

And if he didn't face the flag would you want him to leave Ireland and stop earning a living here?

I'd question his feelings towards being here and his reasons for making such a statement, that's for sure.

y va marquer wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:

Because you can't force other people to respect a symbol of your state just because you do.

Well excluding the part where I said "[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro] by those playing for and representing an English club" changes the meaning and the logic alright.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]I would not view it as "forcing to respect" - I would class it as expecting that it not be disrespected.[/font][/size]

[size=medium][font=Source Sans Pro]At every GAA game we go to the Manc stands and faces the tricolour - he doesn't particularly want to, yet neither does he want to disrespect me or those around him.[/font][/size]

Ah but its not the same thing, if you're a visitor/guest in a country where their national anthem is played it is an expected courtesy.
But if you are in a third country and an anthem which is neither yours nor that of the host countries (as was this case) is played then I certainly wouldn't feel any obligation.

Ah ok, I suppose, I hadn't really factored in the fact that the anthem was played in a country other than England.

Americans are big on National anthems. I love theirs to be honest.

American anthem is 99% of the time very painful to listen, due to every man and his dog making his own version of it. I like the England one, Brazilian, Italian and French ones the most.

The French and Welsh anthems are best, they'd almost propel you to stand up.

marv3llous wrote:

American anthem is 99% of the time very painful to listen, due to every man and his dog making his own version of it. I like the England one, Brazilian, Italian and French ones the most.

We have the worst anthem in the world, I hate it. 

y va marquer wrote:

The French and Welsh anthems are best, they'd almost propel you to stand up.

Ah La Marseillaise flows through the blood like warm wine.
Don't know the Welsh one, don't you have to have a recognised state before you have a national anthem?

I think Amhrán na Bhfiann is a great tune too, the Australian anthem is as boring and cringworthy as fuck everyone knows it should be Waltzing Matilda.

It goes without saying that the best anthems are born in revolutionary and blood soaked contexts.

I thought Wales was a recognised state?