Gunner89 wrote:
Loylz wrote:
As per your blue bit you certainly haven't got a clue.
Question, has Mandzukic ever reach Gomez' tallies? Obviously not, so don't see how you could argue that? Has Giroud? No, but then again no one ever said that. But Mandzukic and Gomez' tallies are comparable because they both happened to be playing for the best team in the world (even more so in Mandzukic's case) in a poor league. Once again no one ever mentioned Giroud ever reaching those tallier because he most likely never will.
The only time they've been in comparable leagues and in comparable teams Giroud has outscored Mandzukic if we're going by your league only logic (which coincidentally has always been all competitions when it suits your purpose because otherwise it would show the difference in minutes to be over 700 mins but whatever). Regardless he's scored more goals in less minutes when their respective teams and leagues are at a comparative level. What Mandzukic has done previously is neither here nor there as one is playing for the all conquering Bayern and the other for an Arsenal side struggling for 4th.
Is Giroud good enough to lead us to the title. No. Is anyone suggesting that? No. But neither is Mandzukic. Cite Bayern and how he won it there if you want but when the support cast is that good compared to your rivals you could put Bendtner in and still win the league. They are both pretty average strikers, just so happened that one has inflated numbers from a poorer league. And even then the numbers are not that much different. Your numbers show that the highest different in their league hauls is 4? Even extrapolate for the extra 4 games he missed out and the difference would be about 6 goals. If you think that's a significant amount considering their respective teams and leagues than fair enough. I don't however.
You're just trying to change goal-posts here. You clearly mentioned the "considerable" difference between minutes which have been proved wrong. The one major change of two from Gomez to Mandzukic lifted them from runners-up in the Cl, DFB Pokal and 2nd to treble winners so no matter how one tries to downplay his significance says it all. There is a reason when both of Gomez and Mandzukic played in the same team it was Mandzukic who was first choice.
I never said the blue bit here. I believe the claim was Madzukic is a "shite" version of Giroud. By that logic Giroud would be scoring at a considerably better rate than Mandzukic in the Bundesliga. If you think that he's going to average near-abouts a goal a game then fair enough but I think that's implausible.
Yes it's good that you mentioned Bendtner because he has the best assister in Europe this last season and is still doing crap.
The notion that you can put Bendtner in that team and win the league is laughable.
I mentioned considerable more minutes when commenting on why Mandzukic outscored Giroud this seasons. Considering Giroud scored more in the league it's quite obvious I meant all competitions (which is where Mandzukic scored more). As such 750 mins or so is considerably more time on the pitch if the difference in the amount of goals scored is just 2.
Also I don't know what reasons there are for Heynkes picking Mandzukic of Gomez. Preference, playing style, I don't know. What is clear though is that Gomez scored more goals than Mandzukic. A striker's job is to score goals and if he performs but the team doesn't win the league despite his goals then there are other problems that need to be addressed. There could be defensive problems that cost them. You have to remember that they bought Javi Martinez and Dante who at the time were key players for them, playing almost every game and had an effect stabilising their game at the back. You can't put the reason they won everything down to Mandzukic either even if it coincided with his arrival because there are many factors involved. A striker is judged on his goal return.
Personally, considering that Giroud and Mandzukic's tallies are quite similar (slightly in favour of Mandzukic) I feel pretty confident if Giroud ever played in the Bayern team of 2 seasons ago how would have scored at the minimum Mandzukic level goals, and probably more. Not Gomez levels but still. That's my opinion, and one that I will probably never be able to prove as Giroud will never go Bayern. But it's how I feel.
Either way, I think we can agree these type of strikers do not win you titles. They can be part of title winning teams as a support cast but they won't be the type to bail you out of tough situations and carry a team to victory on their backs. That's the kind of players we need to be targeting. We don't need to recruit any more good but not great players.
