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Koeman is flavour of the month but I'm not buying it until he can repeat it a second season. You only have to look at Martinez.

I still think Rodgers is a good manager, but his activities in the transfer market let him down badly. Fair enough it can be difficult when you;re at that level but what really lets him down is the fact that he signs players that don't remotely suit the type of football he want's his team to play.

Not ready to totally dismiss him based on transfer record given that they have some kind of numbers-driven transfer committee over there. I'm not sure who has final say, but he doesn't exercise absolute control like our gaffer

Alfonso wrote:

@quincy. Why not? LvG is a world renowned manager. If he can't get into a list of elite coaches in our league then no one can!

The only impressive thing he's done this millennium is win the Eredivisie. Whether you like it or not, Wenger has, for the last eight years, managed the team in PL with the fourth best conditions for success. 

otfgoon wrote:

Koeman is flavour of the month but I'm not buying it until he can repeat it a second season. You only have to look at Martinez.

I still think Rodgers is a good manager, but his activities in the transfer market let him down badly. Fair enough it can be difficult when you;re at that level but what really lets him down is the fact that he signs players that don't remotely suit the type of football he want's his team to play.

I have to say I agree with you Otf.
Younger managers have not had long enough with their teams to build any consistent mode of operation.
Wenger is a mediocre coach and tactically naive compared to an Ancelotti or a Mourinho but he does have years of experience, when 4th place is threatened he knows when to let pragmatism take over, he knows what has worked before and what will work again.

I'm giving it to Pochettino because it seems he's actually transformed the style of his club and the condition of his players, and he's unearthed some rare talent. Players that were brought in by Baldini under AVB and flopped for ages are starting to find their feet as well—and the real dross is being cleared out.

I feel as if Koeman has inherited a solid setup from Pochettino, and has benefited from it albeit with a massive exodus last summer. Southampton are quite simply one of the best run clubs around—Spurs are not really at that level off the pitch, though they're a solid operation these days.

I suspect Koeman's the real deal, but his present situation could be compared to Laudrup's success after taking over from Rodgers at Swansea.

I would never give a job to Rodgers. He's clearly a gifted manager (the weirdo) but his man management gaffes and his eccentric personality are going to sink him at every club.

Burnwinter™ wrote:

I would never give a job to Rodgers. He's clearly a gifted manager (the weirdo) but his man management gaffes and his eccentric personality are going to sink him at every club.

That's a very nice way to put it. He rivals van Gaal and Mourinho in terms of big-headedness.

Don't think he'll last in the big time. He's not going to work out at Liverpool and they'll eventually get tired of him.

hes not the best manager in the league yet, but the guy im pulling for is garry monk.never minded him as a player, and he seems to handle himself with class for the most part. swansea aren't a very hateable team, and i hope they stay mid table for a while and maybe build on things like southampton have.

Markus Weinzierl is the new hipster flavour of the month. He's doing a remarkable job with Augsburg.

Koeman is doing great things too, but I agree that you'd want to see what he can do over 2 or 3 seasons. Still not sure about Pochettino, and whether his teams will get found out after a while.

Not too interested in discussing PL managers, but I am a big admirer of Lucien Favre. He would probably be my first choice for taking over after Wenger.

Favre is an interesting one, great in utilising his squad and definitely knows how to set his team up for big games, especially defensively. His teams however are similar to Wenger's in that they seem to be suspect mentally, winning streaks often followed by a extended poor run of games. Weinzierl is a good shout as well, decent manager working on a shoestring budget, took several washed up players and got them to play decent attacking football.

Best manager in the world is clearly Simeone for me, would be a dream to have him at Arsenal.

Favre isn't a flash in the pan though. He has done a remarkable job at Gladbach for years. Calling Simeone the best manager in the world is way too premature as well.

I know he isn't a flash in the pan, that's exactly why I make the comparison. His spell at Hertha was the same, he took a team that was a relegation candidate to a contender for the championship in two seasons, only to miss out on the CL spots by losing 0:4 in the last game of the season to an already relegated team, they got relegated in the season after as well.

Not sure about your second comment, Simeone has been at Atlético for four years now and has won a major trophy in every season there. Doing the business domestically and in Europe as well - of course he's not been around for as long as Ancelotti, Wenger or Mourinho but for the time he's been at it he has been extremely impressive, winning La Liga with Atlético is one of the greatest managerial performances ever for me.

I agree that Simeone has done a magnificent job. Too soon to call him the best in the world nonetheless.

Yup. Simeone is brilliant but to be called best in the world he needs to show consistency over several seasons. Klopp's back to back Bundesliga titles and CL final while beating Bayern 5 times in a row is just as impressive but this season's struggles raise doubts. I'd still have either at Arsenal in a heartbeat mind you.

otfgoon wrote:

Koeman is flavour of the month but I'm not buying it until he can repeat it a second season. You only have to look at Martinez.

I still think Rodgers is a good manager, but his activities in the transfer market let him down badly. Fair enough it can be difficult when you;re at that level but what really lets him down is the fact that he signs players that don't remotely suit the type of football he want's his team to play.

He's not left with any choice, is he? It amazes me when people criticise a managers transfer policy. I'm speaking generally here, by the way.

Why would people on a forum know who the best signings are, yet managers in charge of a football club have no idea? If you sat down every manager, they will no doubt want the best player possible when searching for targets. Of course, Rodgers would have liked Benzema, much like Wenger would have, but those two are in charge of clubs who can't easily buy who they want. That's how they ended up with Balotelli and Welbeck as they simply couldn't attract anyone better.

Well, we could attract Özil and Alexis, so that is obviously not true in our case. Just like our chairman admitted Wenger didn't really have a plan for signing a CB last summer, I am fairly certain Wenger didn't have a plan to sign a striker either.