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Mesut coming out of his shell?

Biggus

😆

Wenger: Why zid you give 'im your shirt?

Ozil: Because he asked for it mein fuhrer.

Wenger: Would you geeve 'im ze fucking ball eef he asked for eet!

It would have been funny if Vic Akers couldn't find a replacement shirt.

Get ze fuck over to zeir dressing room and ask for eet back!

marv3llous

Biggus wrote:
marv3llous wrote:
I open this thread and my jaw falls to the floor, honestly. What are you guys on about? How is shirt swapping an issue? Players do it all the time in Europe/South America and the more we get foreign players in the PL the more is a chance of this happening. Not to mention that this was actually a european cup match. Besides, as i said, it is not even an issue, for all we know all players may swap shirts inside the tunnel. To me it makes no difference if they do it on the pitch. Because you know why? Its not an actual issue worth talking about.

As for his performance. He was our top 3 best performers along with Koscielny and Giroud. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly has a personal bias against him or should just stop listening to english pundits and stop letting them influence your opinions of him. Most of the pundits who still go on about him are of ex-mancs/scouse origins. Is it any surprise they refuse to acknowledge his quality? While not a peep comes out of their scummy mouths about Di Maria.

I don't know your footballing cultural background Marv but Ozil has been here long enough to understand the British one, it is simply not done- It indicates a relaxed camaraderie with the opposition right in the middle of the battle, it signifies a lax approach to the seriousness of a situation where everything has yet to be resolved and its a spit in the face to us supporters who pay his wages to see him waltz off with the fucking opposition shirt draped around him at half time!
Either he is stupid or he lacks commitment to our club.
If anyone criticised Andre Santos (who i honestly think was stupid) for swapping shirts with van Persie and they refuse to criticise Ozil for doing the exact same thing they are rotten hypocrites- End of.

As regards his performance as nobody seems to actually read what I say about it I'll repeat- I thought he was average (like about 75% of us) neither good nor bad nor worth 43m.

Players like Andre Santos and van Persie or Özil and Kondogbia come from a different footballing background too. Which means, for them to do it during HT is not actually an issue or doesnt indicate any of what you just said. Therefore, its not an issue.

Biggus

Ah but they play for Arsenal now so it is an issue.
Andre Santos was a useless fat fuck and van Persie is probably the most hated former Arsenal player since Cole, but don't let that cloud your judgement- It's the same principle.

marv3llous

It doesnt matter where they play, for them, its not an issue. Its an issue for the fans.

Burnwinter

Reckon it's an issue for the club. Not hard for the club to interdict this sort of thing, so I'd presume it's Wenger who doesn't care about it (which would be in character).

goon

Not sure about that, pretty much ended Santos' career here, Wenger pretty publicly said he wasn't happy about it.

The difference lies is who instigates the swap, that's the part that implies a poor mentality.

marv3llous

Yeah, im sure Andre Santos was sold because of a shirt swap, nothing to do with the fact that he was fat and had to clue how to defend 😆

est

I'm sure Wenger doesn't really give a shit about shirt swapping.

As long as our players aren't begging for shirts from utter cunts(at half-time), I don't care either. They can change shirts with no-names as long as they put in the effort and perform during the actual game.

Had Mesut given Kondogbia his shirt in the tunnel, no one would know and there would be no drama - shows how pointless this is.

goon

marv3llous wrote:
Yeah, im sure Andre Santos was sold because of a shirt swap, nothing to do with the fact that he was fat and had to clue how to defend 😆

:doh:

Point was it was pretty much the last time he played. He was fat and a shit defender for months prior to the incident.

Bold Tone

Note who we were playing against, who the player was and who asked for the shirt!

Edit: i still do not agree with shirt swaps, even after the games.
Fuck the opposition players.
Give your jersey to the loyal fans!

Claudius

If Ramsey swapped a shirt, nobody would care.
Simply because Ramsey has generally performed at or above the expected level.
It's easy to jump on Ozil for the shirt swap because it fits nicely into the narrative about his disinterest on the field and lack of statistical impact. It's as Marv3llous says. The shirt only becomes interesting because of the player concerned. If he has other issues, the shirt swap becomes something to add to his charge sheet.

Ricky1985

Having not watched Ozil at his other clubs as closely as I watch Arsenal players, I've got to ask those that know better; is his left foot better than he's shown in his time here? I've been really disappointed in his execution so many times during matches. You can see the idea he has but it's like he doesn't have the technical quality to hit the pass with enough pace and accuracy. Same applies to his technique when shooting also.

JazzG

Tweets from @MessiMinutes

Mesut Özil was asked by @express24 if he'd leave #AFC soon: "It's out of the question. I'm really happy at Arsenal."

Özil on his injury: "I had a bit of time to think calmly about things. I realised that talent alone isn't enough to achieve my objectives."

Özil says he dreams of winning the Ballon d'Or: "I know that I need to work harder than ever before to get there."

Özil says that he has been training "harder and tougher than ever before in my life. I've gained so much muscle."

Mesut Özil: "My body is more robust now. I feel fresh. That's really important when you play in England."

goon

He definitely looks stronger and more confident.

He'll help us win the league next year.

You can take that quote to the bank.

lorddulaarsenal

So I took Otfgoons's quote to the bank. Printed out a screen shot, and the cashier just looked blankly at me and said "what do you want me to do with that"

I guess it's true, you can take his quote to the bank, but don't expect much to happen once you get there

goon

Did you mention my name? You need to mention my name.

Biggus

Claudius wrote:
If Ramsey swapped a shirt, nobody would care.
Simply because Ramsey has generally performed at or above the expected level.
It's easy to jump on Ozil for the shirt swap because it fits nicely into the narrative about his disinterest on the field and lack of statistical impact. It's as Marv3llous says. The shirt only becomes interesting because of the player concerned. If he has other issues, the shirt swap becomes something to add to his charge sheet.

Untrue in my case Claudius, as I reiterated in post #481 it wasn't my ambivalence about his functioning in the team that has me leaning in the direction of disliking him but the half time shirt swapping.
True, the Monaco player wasn't viewed as as utter cunt by us fans like Van Persie and he may have asked but as Tone said Ozil should have said no and given it to our travelling fans who pay his exorbitant wages.
I don't know Wengers opinion on all this Santos was sold soon after but as was said he was a useless fat fool anyway.
Anyway I don't expect Ozil to be sold but lets see if his half time buddiness with the opposition is curtailed.

speedy

I'm just glad Kondogbia got an arsenal shirt. The guy is so dominant in midfield I've wishlisted him for years.

Klaus

Is he always that good or is it just against us?

Gazza M

i saw a few of his performances for sevilla when he started turning heads. he's more than a brute for sure. dont think wenger bothers with spending big on this kind of player anymore

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