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goon

y va marquer wrote:
Both Qwiss and goon are parents so I'd take their word.
Pretty much every single parent that I know has had at least one terror moment when they've momentarily lost sight of a kid, sometimes longer, absolutely none of these parents are irresponsible or feckless.

I remember being incredibly judgemental of parents who've lost their children while shopping. Now, despite my 3yr old being pretty mild mannered and well behaved, I can easily see how it happens. I've had a couple of panic attacks after losing sight of the little one for just a couple of seconds.

That being said, I take arsedoc's point, I'd probably be clinging onto my little one in that situation. But I don't think the parent deserves to be crucified for a lapse in judgement in terms of assessing the danger of the situation.

y va marquer

Taking your child to a zoo should not be fraught with danger of animal attack - we're not talking a safari here - it should not be possible for a kid to enter an enclosure that houses an animal that could harm them.
If there is such a risk it should be flagged to parents.

It's the duty of those who manage the zoo to ensure the safety of those who visit, as well as the safety of the animals.

Burnwinter

Good example of a situation where a speculative risk, the gorilla actually harming the kid, had such severe consequences it ruled the decision.

In such cases you're left wondering "what if?" because other outcomes are quite likely. But in the end, you should always shoot the gorilla if that's what the balance of probabilities and outcomes dictates.

y va marquer

Clearly.
Anyone who wanted to hang about to see what the gorilla would do next has some pretty messed up priorities.

Biggus

y va marquer wrote:
@ Meatwad: what an idiotic reaction.
The mother does not deserve abuse - those who are abusing her are definitely more concerned about the welfare of the animal over that of the child.
If there is a case to answer here it's to be answered by those who hold the animal captive in an enclosure that is designed in such away that kids can climb through the railings.
Clearly not fit for purpose.

y va marquer wrote:
Both Qwiss and goon are parents so I'd take their word.
Pretty much every single parent that I know has had at least one terror moment when they've momentarily lost sight of a kid, sometimes longer, absolutely none of these parents are irresponsible or feckless.

True that, it only takes a few seconds and they're off I don't blame the parents.

I don't blame the police either, they were probably just responding to the call that this big black hairy dude grabbed a child, its normal they responded with lethal force.
Its obviously the zoo's fault for failing to provide a safe and secure environment.

y va marquer wrote:
Clearly.
Anyone who wanted to hang about to see what the gorilla would do next has some pretty messed up priorities.

Disagree, animal behaviour experts say that gorillas are not aggressive to smaller creatures as they don't see them as a threat.
A similar incident happened in 1996 where a female gorilla cuddled the child until he was retrieved peaceably, obviously the zoo keepers in this case were fuckwits.

Chimpanzee on the other hand are nasty and aggressive and require a different strategy.

Biggus

Burnwinter wrote:
Meanwhile in Western Australia, the sea monsters are winning:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-31/surfer-loses-leg-in-shark-attack-at-falcon-near-mandurah/7464678
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-31/human-arm-being-examined-after-discovery-off-wa-coast/7464952

Fuck them they got what they deserved, nobody forced them into a natural wild environment.

This will probably provoke more action from the red neck WA government to put baited hooks out to catch everything that swims.

Qwiss

Biggus wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
@ Meatwad: what an idiotic reaction.
The mother does not deserve abuse - those who are abusing her are definitely more concerned about the welfare of the animal over that of the child.
If there is a case to answer here it's to be answered by those who hold the animal captive in an enclosure that is designed in such away that kids can climb through the railings.
Clearly not fit for purpose.

y va marquer wrote:
Both Qwiss and goon are parents so I'd take their word.
Pretty much every single parent that I know has had at least one terror moment when they've momentarily lost sight of a kid, sometimes longer, absolutely none of these parents are irresponsible or feckless.

True that, it only takes a few seconds and they're off I don't blame the parents.

I don't blame the police either, they were probably just responding to the call that this big black hairy dude grabbed a child, its normal they responded with lethal force.
Its obviously the zoo's fault for failing to provide a safe and secure environment.

y va marquer wrote:
Clearly.
Anyone who wanted to hang about to see what the gorilla would do next has some pretty messed up priorities.

Disagree, animal behaviour experts say that gorillas are not aggressive to smaller creatures as they don't see them as a threat.
A similar incident happened in 1996 where a female gorilla cuddled the child until he was retrieved peaceably, obviously the zoo keepers in this case were fuckwits.

Chimpanzee on the other hand are nasty and aggressive and require a different strategy.

That gorilla seemed non agressive but he was dragging the kid about like a rag doll.

Biggus

It was dragging him away from the screaming crowds for protection (say gorilla experts), true a human child would not be as robust as a baby gorilla and it might have sustained minor injuries, but they panicked.
I don't know if the child was very close when they shot the ape but there could have been a worse tragedy.
Americans are too trigger happy.

Irishgunner

Migrants sexually assaulted a bunch of women at a music festival in Germany.

Meatwad

for real this time? or more russian agitprop?

Burnwinter

Germans gassed six million Jews during the Holocaust.

Burnwinter

Sorry, I thought we were just throwing out random facts without context.

jones

I actually read it here for the first time even though the "festival" is like 30km from where I live and a couple of my friends went there as well.

Not sure what the problem is here, seems like whatever we do it's wrong. Everyone expects these guys (Pakistanis this time allegedly, some of them not even refugees) to integrate properly into German society and when they do they're still in the news. Think some might not have the right idea of what goes on in these places, try some research of how many fullblown rapes happen every year in the Oktoberfest, maybe then you'll see how relevant these three (!) filed complaints are in the bigger picture

Mirth

This is far worse than the gorilla story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36424091

Monsters!

jones

There must be some hidden Muslim plot or something, Buddhists would never do this stuff.

arsedocmd

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/31/sausage-wielding-ultra-nationalists-attack-vegan-cafe-in-tbilisi/

Mirth

I'm sorry but: 😆

Qwiss

Gang rape in Brazil too, these Latin American Christians just aren't compatible with our way of life.

Biggus

There you go- Revenge.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/drum-lines-set-in-hunt-for-great-white-that-mauled-surfer-ben-gerring-20160601-gp94a8.html

University of Sydney lecturer Christopher Neff, who wrote the first doctoral thesis on the politics of shark attacks, said it was pointless to kill the shark suspected of the attack.

"The catch and kill policy is not a shark bite prevention policy - it is political theatre,"

arsedocmd

Mirth wrote:
I'm sorry but: 😆

well, try this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rush-limbaugh-gorillas-evolution_us_574e5de6e4b0757eaeb10be0

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