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News Thread 2015

banduan

Woman was an asshole but I dislike social media witchhunts/lynchings.

jones

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/04/oregon-malheur-wildlife-reserve-militia-occupation-anti-islam-activist-john-ritzheimer

Bold Tone

banduan wrote:
Woman was an asshole but I dislike social media witchhunts/lynchings.

She was the one who went on social media, first.
How would you propose they should have reacted to defend their business?
The thing is anyone in business, nowadays, meets these dicks everyday and her behaviour is not surprising.
As everyone has said, the manager's response is what made this a news story.
By the way this is not a lynching which is an act of violence by a mob upon the body of another person without due process of law and AFAIA, the dickhead hasn't been assaulted by anyone.

Qwiss

banduan wrote:
Woman was an asshole but I dislike social media witchhunts/lynchings.

I reckon a lot of the people who.get so upset about this stuff on facebook are just the sorts of people who make your life miserable if you work in the service industry.

jones

Bold Tone wrote:
banduan wrote:
Woman was an asshole but I dislike social media witchhunts/lynchings.

She was the one who went on social media, first.
How would you propose they should have reacted to defend their business?
The thing is anyone in business, nowadays, meets these dicks everyday and her behaviour is not surprising.
As everyone has said, the manager's response is what made this a news story.
By the way this is not a lynching which is an act of violence by a mob upon the body of another person without due process of law and AFAIA, the dickhead hasn't been assaulted by anyone.

I think bandy might be talking about the article you posted. Even though that woman seems to be a huge piece of shit I don't see why it's necessary to bring her workplace into it.

Bold Tone

After she went to social media, nobody has control.
If she complained directly to the manager it would never have escalated to this extent.

Qwiss

To me it sounds like she was a moron that the staff handled terribly. And the restaurants reply wouldn't impress me much either. Basically everyone comes out of it looking bad IMO but obviously they've got a load of good publicity now and that'll serve the restaurant well.

Rex

Bitch got what she deserved.

Klaus

Bold Tone wrote:
banduan wrote:
Woman was an asshole but I dislike social media witchhunts/lynchings.

She was the one who went on social media, first.
How would you propose they should have reacted to defend their business?

I don't think banduan is saying that the bar owner was wrong in responding to her. He's just saying that her being an asshole doesn't merit a million people around the globe being assholes in return. Which is sensible. We all say and write things we wish we could take back sometimes. People need to be a little more chill about it and have the good sense to not get involved in a public shaming.

Bold Tone

I can agree with that and what qs! said as well.
Must find out where Bandy gets his chill pills from as i need to get rid of the xmas stress.
Maybe a stiff drink is in order

goon

No sympathy for her. As wrong as the the OTT reaction might be, it may teach her a bit of humility.

The mobish nature of social media can be very dangerous though.

Burnwinter

I'm pretty sympathetic towards her after reading her employer intends to "take the matter seriously" etc. Not appropriate at all for her workplace to get involved when she's not a public figure.

The "lynching" thing I'm more ambivalent about. Before when something was reported, a million people would just shake their heads in disgust. Now they still shake their heads but 10,000 of them also write an angry comment somewhere. In a way, it isn't even personal, and I'm not convinced the emotions involved are any worse—the problem can be the effect on the person who becomes the focal point.

Bold Tone

Her place of work is also a business establishment that had to put that up to safeguard themselves.
All they said is her repugnant views did not represent them and they would deal with the matter internally and take whatever actions deemed necessary.
Nothing wrong with that and they may conclude that the public shaming was punishment enough.
I don't buy the "she is not a public figure" excuse as that doesn't give her the right to do whatever she likes without any regard for morals.
If anything a public figure would have had more to lose than a rental booth in a hair salon.
There must be hundreds of other hair salon booths she could rent.
The best thing about this publicity is to teach people that the social media route is like a sword.
It cuts both ways so whoever you attack can slash you right back and if you are an idiot, you have no real defence.

y va marquer

Sort of makes me want to see Facebook melt when I see that people behaving stupidly, selfishly and poorly in a bar on New Year's Eve becomes major mainstream news.

Not an shred of decency or dignity amongst any of the people involved in this exchange - zero attempt to prevent the whole event from escalating into conflict, now it's just fodder for people with vast reserves of hate for humanity to pitch in with a load of judgements and name calling.

Burnwinter

They're more or less the same people who used to shake their fists at the television news, they're not supervillains.

@Tone There's no way anyone's job should be jeopardised for a bad review of a restaurant on their Facebook page. Let's get her "crime" into some sort of perspective. She's a hairdresser not a magazine critic. She didn't even put it on Yelp or Urbanspoon or whatever.

Bold Tone

Fair point but i stand by my criticism as my sympathy disappears when i think this was a calculated act and done when fully sober.
She knew full well what had happened and still tried to damage the reputation of the restaurant on their public facebook page.

y va marquer

Burnwinter wrote:
They're more or less the same people who used to shake their fists at the television news, they're not supervillains.

@Tone There's no way anyone's job should be jeopardised for a bad review of a restaurant on their Facebook page. Let's get her "crime" into some sort of perspective. She's a hairdresser not a magazine critic. She didn't even put it on Yelp or Urbanspoon or whatever.

I didn't mean to suggest that they were supervillians - there are plenty non villanous types who harbour genuine dislike and contempt (hate was probably too strong a word) of people in general.

The fact that they have a voice and an outlet which affords them the platform to express these feelings (often anonymously) does transform them from impotent shake the fist at the telly types into a more harmful, destructive force.

Biggus

otfgoon wrote:
The mobish nature of social media can be very dangerous though.

Tell me about it.

@ Burnsy, I agree- Her opinions and what she does in her own time has nothing to do with her employers, who the fuck do they think they are....

y va marquer

Biggus wrote:
otfgoon wrote:
The mobish nature of social media can be very dangerous though.

Tell me about it.

😆

arsedocmd

biggus with the win 😆

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