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Klaus

Biggus wrote:
Hey you'll get no argument from me fellas, all I'm saying is if players come out with this retarded bollocks parroting Arsehole Wenger making stupid excuses they can go a fuck themselves, instead of treating us like idiots Arteta should be apologising to us and promising to try better next time.

They're just parroting back what they are told. Mertesacker and Wilshere came out with the same stuff this weekend. When we drew to Everton earlier this season after going two goals down in the first half there were five players on the official site echoing the view that "it was a great comeback" despite the fact that we didn't really come back; we lost two points. It's a narrative, not independent reflections. Not a single footballer has ever said anything in the mixed zone that is worth quoting.

Klaus

ultimate_warrior wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I don't think it's Wenger's fault that we didn't score on those chances, you do. Let's agree to disagree.

It's so frustrating coming on here after a defeat, where 11 players not named Wenger fucked up, and the only analysis capable by most is to complain about Wenger.

Believe me, it's just as frustrating to see you come on here and constantly repeat this line like it's some genius point you're making.

It's not a coincidence when you systematically fail to score from these type of chances. We only have ourselves to blame for what happened against United. The sense of entitlement of some people is genuinely baffling to me. They think we've earned the right to win a game just because we created a couple good chances. In reality, football is about taking your chances when they present themselves. We don't have players capable of converting chances, and when we do have one or two, they are never the players who most frequently find themselves in goalscoring positions.

You talk about player accountability, but accountability can only ever be relative to the level of the player. Welbeck, Chamberlain and Wilshere are not great (or even good) goalscorers. The fact that they occupied 3 of the 4 forward positions in the team speaks volumes. For each dropped point the problem becomes more apparent and the need for a fix becomes more urgent. We've built a team that couldn't shoot its way out of the first level in Duck Hunt.

goon

I dunno, while I don't disagree with the general sentiment, I'd have expected almost every player in the squad to put away Jack's chance, he was about 6 yards from goal and fully in control of the ball... that should be a nailed on goal for lower league players.

flobaba

I'm sure he is disappointed with the effort as well.

Think that miss also drove his frustration which was expressed in his flare up with Fellaini, and him trying to force the issue which ultimately led to his latest injury.

MistaT

11 players may have fucked up, and certainly those missing there chances did, but us not having a clue how to react going down is on the manager. Tired of us playing with this delusion that the game will play out in a certain way, and its even worse now that we don't have the quality to dictate how the game will be played.

Clrnc

Why do the 11 players constantly fucked it up, especially in big matches? Why do opponents always let us so call "dominate" only to kill us off?

It's not rocket science.

Biggus

Re that Van Gaal quote I posted: I didn't intend it to be an explaination of what happened in the game but rather an illustration of how a normal manager approaches a game.
He analyses the opposition he then looks at his own available players and he looks for ways to exploit weaknesses and maximise his advantages,
Contrast this to Wenger who has his team play the EXACT SAME WAY every single game regardless of opposition or players available and continues it during the game regardless of changing circumstances- This hasn't changed in 8 years!
No wonder there isn't a manager on earth who doesn't know how to beat us.

Biggus

Klaus wrote:
They're just parroting back what they are told. Mertesacker and Wilshere came out with the same stuff this weekend. When we drew to Everton earlier this season after going two goals down in the first half there were five players on the official site echoing the view that "it was a great comeback" despite the fact that we didn't really come back; we lost two points. It's a narrative, not independent reflections. Not a single footballer has ever said anything in the mixed zone that is worth quoting.

I know its all carefully stage managed by the great dictator Klaus.
But I used to view the players sympathetically, as employee's they were paid to play and represent the club at charity events etc, and their pronouncements should be confined to broad bland motherhood statements.
Now they sound like they're speaking for Arsene not Arsenal they look increasing like the followers of a tottering dictator who fight on not because they believe in him but because they know that their fate is irrevocably tied to his.
If any more of them come out like this- They can go fuck themselves along with him, and that includes Flamini.

flobaba

Robin must be feeling justified with his decision to dump us right now

Bold Tone

Biggus wrote:
Klaus wrote:
They're just parroting back what they are told. Mertesacker and Wilshere came out with the same stuff this weekend. When we drew to Everton earlier this season after going two goals down in the first half there were five players on the official site echoing the view that "it was a great comeback" despite the fact that we didn't really come back; we lost two points. It's a narrative, not independent reflections. Not a single footballer has ever said anything in the mixed zone that is worth quoting.

I know its all carefully stage managed by the great dictator Klaus.
But I used to view the players sympathetically, as employee's they were paid to play and represent the club at charity events etc, and their pronouncements should be confined to broad bland motherhood statements.
Now they sound like they're speaking for Arsene not Arsenal they look increasing like the followers of a tottering dictator who fight on not because they believe in him but because they know that their fate is irrevocably tied to his.
If any more of them come out like this- They can go fuck themselves along with him, and that includes Flamini.

I give you Marshawn.

I thought this was hilarious and shows that education is not the only measure of intelligence.

ultimatewarrior

Klaus wrote:
ultimate_warrior wrote:
It's so frustrating coming on here after a defeat, where 11 players not named Wenger fucked up, and the only analysis capable by most is to complain about Wenger.

Believe me, it's just as frustrating to see you come on here and constantly repeat this line like it's some genius point you're making.

It's not a coincidence when you systematically fail to score from these type of chances. We only have ourselves to blame for what happened against United. The sense of entitlement of some people is genuinely baffling to me. They think we've earned the right to win a game just because we created a couple good chances. In reality, football is about taking your chances when they present themselves. We don't have players capable of converting chances, and when we do have one or two, they are never the players who most frequently find themselves in goalscoring positions.

You talk about player accountability, but accountability can only ever be relative to the level of the player. Welbeck, Chamberlain and Wilshere are not great (or even good) goalscorers. The fact that they occupied 3 of the 4 forward positions in the team speaks volumes. For each dropped point the problem becomes more apparent and the need for a fix becomes more urgent. We've built a team that couldn't shoot its way out of the first level in Duck Hunt.

There's nothing you've said that I have previously stated anything against.

I agree with pretty much everything. That we don't have the quality to defeat the big teams because we we have too few real goalscorers in the team. I didn't think we'd beat United, but when you look at their defence, it's laughable that we couldn't. We had our chances, our attackers missed them. That has usually been the deciding factor in most of our big game performances over the years. We miss our chances, the opponents takes theirs.

ultimatewarrior

Also tied in with our lack of goalscorers, is that we always play for the win, whether it's 0-0, 1-0 or 0-3. This often always works against us, because we pour forward looking to score goals, without actually having the offensive ability to make it count. In truth we disrespect the opponent, by trying to punch above our weight. The big teams that we always lose against are superior, yet we play like we are on their level or better. Playing for a draw, or rather trying to stifle the opponent, instead of imposing our game on them is more likely to generate a favourable outcome.

lorddulaarsenal

We overload which negates our ability to use our pace on the counter. Weird tactics

evoh

ultimate_warrior wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
I don't think it's Wenger's fault that we didn't score on those chances, you do. Let's agree to disagree.

It's so frustrating coming on here after a defeat, where 11 players not named Wenger fucked up, and the only analysis capable by most is to complain about Wenger.

There seems to be this confusion that by deflecting the blame off Wenger onto the players, that I am somehow supporting the latter. Couldn't be further from the truth. Wenger is ULTIMATELY responsible for everything. However, in the aftermath of a football match, it is the players that should be talking point, not the fucking manager.

Anyone with even a tiny bit of clue could clearly see that we lost the game, because Wilshere, Welbeck and Oxlade failed to take their chances. Simple fucking as. It had nothing to do with anything else. Talking about Wenger is fucking tiresome.

In this case you can admonish wenger from directly impacting the result, as the players did let him down. I still think looking at that game going into half time you bring on podolski due to the likelihood of him banging every chance we created, but that's just me.

The problem with saying "the 11 players let us down" is that is isn't just those eleven players it's countless over the years. In fact, in the past two season we have had how many total embarrassing performances out of the arsenal XI our on the pitch. That remains their fault each time as they are the ones out there. Biir who picks the team, coaches (or not) them, provides motivation and instruction? Wenger is at the heart if why the players play like this as evidence has shown a diverse group of plates to come up with the same failings over countless games, seasons, and various quality of opponent.

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