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Spanish football 2014/2015

Klaus

La Liga has been imbalanced for years. It just keeps getting worse.

flobaba

The issue is it's more logical to attribute Barca's defensive improvement to decent signings and better defensive work by Enrique, and Real's offensive strengths to a player at the peak of his powers who is probably going to end his career as one of the most prolific goal scorers the game has ever seen, than to just dismiss it as due to the financial imbalance which is nothing new.

Klaus

They've been picking up 95+ points for years now. It is nothing new. You just need to measure any improvement to their respective squad against the rest of the league to see how the distance between the rich and the poor increases at the same alarming rate that inequality does in the US (and for similar reasons). Real and Barca are probably the two best football teams on the planet, all while they are playing in a league where a typical player for a lower half team is earning Championship wages. You do the math.

QuincyAbeyie

I still don't think you can say that Ronaldo's form isn't insane at the moment.

Klaus

I didn't say anything about Ronaldo.

Irishgunner

Ronaldo <3

Rex

Ronaldo is a great player, but he seems a massive twat.

QuincyAbeyie

Klaus wrote:
I didn't say anything about Ronaldo.

No, dules did. You did say he scores that many goals because La Liga is the new Eredivisie, though. He scored 17 goals in 11 CL matches last season, so I'd argue it isn't just that.

Meatwad

la liga keeps winning european trophies (europa and cl), they can't be that weak. i think we overrate the premier league too much. oh we finish 4th because we're in a tough league, bullshit we finish 4th because that's our level. we'd struggle to get 4th place in la liga too. sevilla is a better team than tottenham or everton. maybe the relegation fodder is worse, but they're still 3 easy points for a quality side in either league.

ultimatewarrior

Klaus wrote:
They've been picking up 95+ points for years now. It is nothing new. You just need to measure any improvement to their respective squad against the rest of the league to see how the distance between the rich and the poor increases at the same alarming rate that inequality does in the US (and for similar reasons). Real and Barca are probably the two best football teams on the planet, all while they are playing in a league where a typical player for a lower half team is earning Championship wages. You do the math.

They've been picking up such points because Real have C.Ronaldo and Barcelona have Messi. Without those two, both teams are a good 10-15 points weaker, if not more. Any team with either of those two will rip up the league. I don't know how you can try discredit that.

Klaus

I'm not discrediting Ronaldo and Messi. I'm saying that the two best players in the world are playing for the two best teams in the world in a league where the top teams are an absolute world apart from the rest of them. It serves as a way to magnify the difference. How can you still struggle with this point?

ludovicvanzis

Wasn't Falcao keeping up with those two when he was in Spain?

Clrnc

No matter Falcao, Forlan, Aguero, Diego Costa do what to keep up with them statistically, they are still miles away from being anything on their level.

ludovicvanzis

That's kinda my point.

La Liga just seems prone to creating great goalscorers.

QuincyAbeyie

ludovic van zis wrote:
Wasn't Falcao keeping up with those two when he was in Spain?

Falcao:
11/12: 24 league goals
12/13: 28 league goals
Total: 52

Messi:
11/12: 50 league goals
12/13: 46 league goals
Total: 96

Much closer to half than keeping up.

innervisionscm

Those numbers are just insane. 96 league goals in two seasons, what a fucking record.

ludovicvanzis

season 12/13

Falcao : 28 in 34
Ronaldo: 34 in 34

QuincyAbeyie

So basically, to prove your point that Falcao kept up with Messi and Ronaldo, you:

Just choose to forget about Messi.
Of the two seasons Ronaldo and Falcao played in La Liga, you conveniently choose to compare them the season Ronaldo scored 34 goals, and forget about the one he scored 46.

But I guess "didn't he keep up with those two when he was in Spain?" sounds better than "didn't he almost keep up with Ronaldo one season?"

Well, you've sure convinced me! He really did keep up with them.

ludovicvanzis

T'was a question. Dont nerd out on me.

QuincyAbeyie

Your first post was a suggestive question. After I posted the Messi stats, you wrote something to which I answered.

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