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Burnwinter

We still turn heads as much as Liverpool I think, if not as much as United, Chelsea or City.

But our aura of safe, guaranteed top-tier mediocrity has already taken its toll. "Join Arsenal to finish third or fourth".

Claudius

I highly doubt it, Burns.
Liverpool have spent big money on Mascherano, Torres, Carroll and Suarez in recent years. Some of those guys cost 2x the most we have ever been willing to reluctantly part with for a player. I cannot see us making a big impact.

As you said "join Arsenal to finish third or fourth" for the 2nd tier stars, and for the young, potential top tier stars, we will continue to be perceived as "use Arsenal as a stepping stone"

Burnwinter

Well I predict that Liverpool won't play CL football in 12-13, let alone 11-12. I don't think this prediction is unreasonable.

We are solid. What we don't do is give any impression we're on the verge of becoming champions.

Timbob

Liverpool is still Liverpool. London is still London.

y va marquer

I don't think we are solid.

I think that unless the reasons for our decline since the end of February are seriously examined and meaningful changes are made this summer we will struggle to stay in the top four.

Timbob

Unless you're from the north of England, Scottish or Irish you dont pick Liverpool over Arsenal if you've got the same offer on the table from both clubs.

Pepe LeFrits

I don't think you can generalise like that.

I do think some are being somewhat sucked into the vortex of our bad form the past couple of months, and conversely being over-awed by Liverpool's form.

Let's not forget that for the second year running, Liverpool will be absent from the CL (and not even in the EL next season, right?), and only a couple of months ago they were in absolute turmoil. Both clubs have pros and cons. Our stability and predictability may seem like a bad thing at the moment but we're a proven option for young players looking to develop their careers.

kamikaze

unfortunately, to casual observers, it can look a lot like liverpool is a big club having a temporary blip, while arsenal is a selling club.

Burnwinter

A temporary 20+ year blip. Those are some pretty casual observers.

They signed one excellent striker and one mixed bag with a weapon, they stopped playing the wrong tactics and the wrong selection, their morale improved and they had a few good results, and suddenly everyone's acting as if it's the freaking Renaissance.

Mirth

I would think players looking to make a career defining move are little more than casual observers.

lorddulaarsenal

Not really a 20 year blip tho is it

kamikaze

Burnwinter wrote:
A temporary 20+ year blip. Those are some pretty casual observers.

they won the CL not too long ago, and if you ask the average footballer who the most prestigious clubs in england are, they'll say united, liverpool and recently, chelsea (money talks). all that bullshit about the kop, anfield, YNWA, etc. the average guy doesn't read up on the financial reports which clearly show that arsenal is the bigger club. they just know that liverpool has the 2nd most english league titles and buys players like mascherano, torres, reina, etc, whereas arsenal doesnt come close to that and buys 19 yr olds.

Captain

And yet, not a single big foreign player mentions Liverpool when asked where they would like go. Not even a young star with potential.

lorddulaarsenal

By the by. They got suarez and aquilani, who at the time was highly rated

Claudius

kamikaze wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
A temporary 20+ year blip. Those are some pretty casual observers.

they won the CL not too long ago, and if you ask the average footballer who the most prestigious clubs in england are, they'll say united, liverpool and recently, chelsea (money talks). all that bullshit about the kop, anfield, YNWA, etc. the average guy doesn't read up on the financial reports which clearly show that arsenal is the bigger club. they just know that liverpool has the 2nd most english league titles and buys players like mascherano, torres, reina, etc, whereas arsenal doesnt come close to that and buys 19 yr olds.

Indeed. That's why I feel it is vital we successfully bid for a big name player this summer.

Captain

Are you guys taking the piss?

Klaus

No one would pick Liverpool over Arsenal as a career move if given the choice. Not even Jamie Carragher.

Mirth

kamikaze wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
A temporary 20+ year blip. Those are some pretty casual observers.

they won the CL not too long ago, and if you ask the average footballer who the most prestigious clubs in england are, they'll say united, liverpool and recently, chelsea (money talks). all that bullshit about the kop, anfield, YNWA, etc. the average guy doesn't read up on the financial reports which clearly show that arsenal is the bigger club. they just know that liverpool has the 2nd most english league titles and buys players like mascherano, torres, reina, etc, whereas arsenal doesnt come close to that and buys 19 yr olds.

They've also lost Torres and Mascherano since. Reina wasn't the world's best keeper when he signed for them either. They won the CL when we last won a trophy. They've dropped out of the CL for two seasons in a row, haven't won the league in 20 years. Haven't won a trophy in 5 years. Oh and they very nearly went bankrupt in the midst of all that. Moreover, I would be hesitant to say that those who go to Liverpool come out a better player. Also, what an average player 'might' say is pure conjecture based on your impression of Liverpool and, perhaps, Arsenal's failure.

I'm with Capi, serious insecurity complex going on.

Ricky1985

General Mirth wrote:
I'm with Capi, serious insecurity complex going on.

That's been the way of A-M forever, as soon as the season ends and we haven't won a trophy, the consensus always seems to be "we're rubbish" and then everything about the club is questioned or called poor/unacceptable. Frustrates me no end.

99.9% of this club is absolutely fantastic! It really is.

Qwiss

That annoys me too, if everything was wrong we wouldn't get so close the whole time. There's just a couple of things.

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