Ricky1985 wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:

There is one of the things that concerned or rather concerns me with Coquelin.

When we're chasing a game or need a goal especially against weaker teams who park the bus his game is limited. He doesn't pose a threat attacking wise and the opposition double team on the other CM. Remember him getting subbed a lot at the last few games when chasing. I suspect Wenger had the same thought. Wether he's stubborn enough to think a 33 year old Arteta coming back from a major injury can last games or not he knows this. Feel free to disagree but I think Coquelin is the one who should be on the bench and a more complete DM be it Schneiderlin or Vidal should be starting. A Schneiderlin or Vidal have enough in the locker to alter their game according to the strategy be it defending or chasing a goal. A player like Vidal would actually need to curb his attacking runs more here and do a more defensive job as opposed to the box-to-box stuff he does for Juventus. Plenty of big games we might need a Vidal and Coquelin both.

I agree with what you're saying re Coquelin - it is clear Wenger saw him as unable to really contribute when we needed to chase a goal because he was always the one hooked off. My view is that Wenger sees Coqulein as a fantastic weapon to have in your armoury; in a number of games through a long season, he is just the guy you want to stop a David Silva, get a good point away from home or bring on to protect a lead. But I don't think he views him as the sort of midfielder he wants his A team to contain. The team he sends out most weeks to obliterate the opposition.

I don't think it's reasonable to put Vidal and Schneiderlin in the same sentence when talking about being dynamic and able to change their game depending on what is required though. Schneiderlin's much more similar to Coquelin in that regard; one paced, but good at what he does. Vidal can be whatever you want him to be.

Schneiderlin is quite simply a much better passer and much more technical player IMO.

I think his game here is severely under-rated here. He can pass the ball long and short like Arteta. Can you even imagine Coquelin pulling off a skill like that. The chest control followed by the 2 sombreros. He backs that skill, that level of passing with top class defending. I'll be honest- I am really not sure what other names are expected to be brought of a higher level. 

Get over it G89. We are not signing Schneiderlin.

Or Vidal.

We're certainly not signing Schneiderlin at least 😆

Because Wenger doesnt rate him.

A compilation of Coquelin from last season will have some very good long range passing and great composure and technique on the ball under pressure too. What Coquelin lacks is the vision to pass through the lines from deep and Schneiderlin lacks that too in my opinion.

Rohit wrote:

A compilation of Coquelin from last season will have some very good long range passing and great composure  and technique on the ball under pressure too. What Coquelin lacks is the vision to pass through the lines from deep and Schneiderlin lacks that too in my opinion.

Very good long range passing and great composure etc.

Can you send me a link?

Vision to pass through the lines? What other DM's are there maybe Busquets aside who possesses this ability at a much better level than Morgan?

Why does our "DM" need the vision to pass through the lines from deep? We have enough attacking mids to do that.

Coquelin is supremely impressive in releasing the ball fast, accurate be it long or short. I particularly love his ability to pick the right man directly with enough pace on the ball so it cuts through the opposition midfield, (See his ball for Alexis goal v Pool) and Schneiderlin similarly does that very well.

A short comparison on all the DMs mostly mentioned here. (Can't find Willy stats so...) Stats doesn't mean anything unless put into context so take it in the right way. The latter 3 had not so good seasons so I am using 13/14 stats instead for a fair comparison.

Tancredi also saying we have contacted Juventus.

marv3llous wrote:

Tancredi also saying we have contacted Juventus.

Is he reliable? His name rings a bell

Gunner89 wrote:

[font=Source Sans Pro]Can you send me a link?[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]I wanted to say 'No'. He is an Arsenal player and you should have seen all this last season. Your brusqueness doesn't deserve an answer either.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]The compilation is as good as you will see for any proper defensive midfielder albeit it doesn't have him doing any sombreros.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]The point was anyways lost on you in your eagerness to pounce. Players look good on compilations, they can mask certain deficiencies in their game and in my opinion both Schneiderlin and Coquelin lack the vision to pass between the lines. Schneidelin will be a great signing as an alternative to Coquelin but many want us to elevate our level to that of some of the best teams.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]As for who other than Busquets, I don't know, I am not a scout. My knowledge of footballers is limited. I would be happy if we signed Schneiderlin but I like a few others want more in midfield. That's it. I don't think too many under rate Schneiderlin. Those not wanting him as their first option for midfield don't want to over rate him either by considering him much better than what we have. What we need first hand if better than what we have.[/font]

Di Marzio has said that the Vidal to Arsenal rumors are bollocks

Clunk wrote:

Why does our "DM" need the vision to pass through the lines from deep? We have enough attacking mids to do that.

I responded saying as much on the last page. It's not necessary if the 5 players ahead of the defensive midfielder are all top class. We have just one world class player in our front line though. It's imperative that the ball gets to the final third as quickly as possible and I think Coquelin lacks the vision to do so, as does Schneiderlin.

Palmeri is a fraud sadly

Rohit wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:

[font=Source Sans Pro]Can you send me a link?[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]I wanted to say 'No'. He is an Arsenal player and you should have seen all this last season. Your brusqueness doesn't deserve an answer either.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]The compilation is as good as you will see for any proper defensive midfielder albeit it doesn't have him doing any sombreros.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]The point was anyways lost on you in your eagerness to pounce. Players look good on compilations, they can mask certain deficiencies in their game and in my opinion both Schneiderlin and Coquelin lack the vision to pass between the lines. Schneidelin will be a great signing as an alternative to Coquelin but many want us to elevate our level to that of some of the best teams.[/font]

[font=Source Sans Pro]As for who other than Busquets, I don't know, I am not a scout. My knowledge of footballers is limited. I would be happy if we signed Schneiderlin but I like a few others want more in midfield. That's it. I don't think too many under rate Schneiderlin. Those not wanting him as their first option for midfield don't want to over rate him either by considering him much better than what we have. What we need first hand if better than what we have.[/font]

Appreciate the link. I don't think however I posted anything construed as rude in the previous post.

Gunner89 wrote:

Appreciate the link. I don't think however I posted anything construed as rude in the previous post.

My bad then, apologies, thought it was intended differently. It's a great compilation and you will be reminded of the talent we have on hand and all that a lot of fans want is for it to be bettered. Is Schneiderlin much better than this, I am not sure at least.

Anyway, what I do think is that Vidal definitely is.

Irish gunner wrote:
marv3llous wrote:

Tancredi also saying we have contacted Juventus.

Is he reliable? His name rings a bell

He's another twonk. 

I think he's the guy who said we'd agreed a deal with Rennes for M'vila.

Rohit wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:

Appreciate the link. I don't think however I posted anything construed as rude in the previous post.

My bad then, apologies, thought it was intended differently. It's a great compilation and you will be reminded of the talent we have on hand and all that a lot of fans want is for it to be bettered. Is Schneiderlin much better than this, I am not sure at least.

Anyway, what I do think is that Vidal definitely is.

No probs mate. 

Completely agree on Vidal.

He's got a million deals wrong. He's also a sexist dickhead whose attempts at "banter" with his followers are among the worst I've ever seen.

y va marquer wrote:
Irish gunner wrote:

Is he reliable? His name rings a bell

He's another twonk. 

I think he's the guy who said we'd agreed a deal with Rennes for M'vila.

That'd be Ben Faithorne

No it wasn't, I remember now, it was Julien Laurens

Ornstein just tweeted we aren't interested.

This thread was fun though.

Jeremy Wilson ‏@JWTelegraph 15m15 minutes ago
Arsenal no longer in for Vidal and MU favs for Schneiderlin. AFC wanted him in Jan but fee, plus Coq/Caz form, seems to have changed things

😆 Trying to turn back on his words. "No longer in" hahaha.

y va marquer wrote:
Irish gunner wrote:

Is he reliable? His name rings a bell

He's another twonk. 

I think he's the guy who said we'd agreed a deal with Rennes for M'vila.

He's the one who said Higuain is a done deal. 5 year contract 30m fee.

To be fair, I think it's common knowledge there was something concrete regarding Higuain before Madrid jacked up the price.

Rohit wrote:

Ornstein just tweeted we aren't interested.

This thread was fun though.

Ornstein's word is far from gospel. He got a number of big transfers wrong over the last few seasons.

Ornstein and Wilson tweet first and foremost about things which club tells them about. Been clear that they have been instructed to say this today as they both tweeted almost simultaneously. Club probably wanted to cool things down after so many reports from foreign press.

JW knows pretty little. Most of his transfer rumours are way off the mark. The way he always backtrack things is funny though.

Yep, it's pretty obvious they've been fed that line from someone at the club.

Don't think Vidal is the right player for us, while he is a superb player would be an odd signing imo.

Clunk wrote:

Why does our "DM" need the vision to pass through the lines from deep? We have enough attacking mids to do that.

Because those attacking mids are the ones who should be on the end of those passes, not making them.

Maybe I misinterpreted his meaning, I thought Rohit meant through passes.

I believe Coquelin is very good at passing through the lines from deep. Like I said, one of the most telling example was against Liverpool. We have praised Coq through the season for that particular skill, let's not forget that.

Passing quickly and bypassing the midfield lines is what Schneiderlin is pretty good at too if you watched him enough. Always distribute it very quickly and accurately.

Gunner89 wrote:

Schneiderlin is quite simply a much better passer and much more technical player IMO.

I think his game here is severely under-rated here. He can pass the ball long and short like Arteta. Can you even imagine Coquelin pulling off a skill like that. The chest control followed by the 2 sombreros. He backs that skill, that level of passing with top class defending. I'll be honest- I am really not sure what other names are expected to be brought of a higher level. 

Yes, I can imagine Coquelin pulling off a skill like that quite easily. It's not that impressive at all really, and Coquelin is no mug.

In my opinion, Scheiderlin has the better passing range, but it's still nothing to write home about, but Coquelin has a good ability to pass the ball very quickly and crisply along the ground to get us moving forward. I also think Coquelin is better on the ball; manipulates it better and has better touch under pressure - although, again, nothing to write home about. It's decent though.

With Vidal, Coquelin and Ramsey in the middle we'd never lose a midfield battle, at least not in the PL.

Hmmm.
Where's Wenger these days?
Any chance of him being interviewed any time soon and getting asked directly about Vidal?

This Schneiderlin talk is so reminiscent of all the times our rivals signed a "proven" player who went on and proved to be absolute donkeys on a higher level. Wenger knows what he wants and he knows what these players are worth. We have money now, so if he thought Schneiderlin was definitely what we needed, he would have bought him. He has been begging for us for a few years, ffs.

Well he went in for Schneiderlin last summer so he obviously rates him.

He rates him only up until a certain point. He wont overpay from there as he knows he knows he has alternatives who can provide same results.

Buying established players from England is rarely a good idea honestly. Very few teams play good positive football, and the players become accustomed to the physical, pragmatic Anglo style of play and can't express themselves on the ball or work in tight spaces.

Thing is, if Wenger likes a player and wants him enough to be paying the reported 25m then the chances are that he'll be a good fit for the team. It is a little bit of blind faith in Wenger's scouting ability but under those circumstances it'll be a shame if we lose out just because United have deeper pockets.

marv3llous wrote:

He rates him only up until a certain point. He wont overpay from there as he knows he knows he has alternatives who can provide same results.

We'll see. After the club have shut down the Vidal story I get the feeling Wenger is going to leave midfield short again.

innervisionscm wrote:

Buying established players from England is rarely a good idea honestly. Very few teams play good positive football, and the players become accustomed to the physical, pragmatic Anglo style of play and can't express themselves on the ball or work in tight spaces.

We play in the English league. :brow:

Qwiss! wrote:
innervisionscm wrote:

Buying established players from England is rarely a good idea honestly. Very few teams play good positive football, and the players become accustomed to the physical, pragmatic Anglo style of play and can't express themselves on the ball or work in tight spaces.

We play in the English league. :brow:

If anything, it's those qualities that made Arteta such an excellent signing when our midfield was a hot mess.

Qwiss! wrote:

We'll see. After the club have shut down the Vidal story I get the feeling Wenger is going to leave midfield short again.

I fear this too.