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Mario Balotelli

Ray

http://au.eurosport.com/football/serie-a/2011-2012/puma-to-help-arsenal-sign-balotelli_sto4282851/story.shtml

This should happen already, he will terrorise PL defences.

flobaba

Claudius wrote:
Gunner, have you watched Milan since they let go of Pirlo? They have one of the most ineffective midfields at a top club in Europe. And El Shaarawy has been injured or inconsistent as well, so Balo has little to work with

Gunner don't care. Gunner want goalssss

Burnwinter

Gunner could look at six nearly identical chocolate mud cakes and see three gorgeous gourmet gâteaux and three stinking cowpats. 🙂

Jed

------ Balotelli --- Vela ------
-------------- Özil -------------
----- Wilshere ---- Ramsey -----
---------- Schneiderlin ----------

Switch to 4-2-3-1 when Walcott gets fit:

------------ Balotelli -----------
Vela --------- Özil-------- Walcott
-- Schneiderlin --- Ramsey --

Gunner89

Aston Villa had a crap squad but Benteke bagged 20 plus for them. Michu scored 20 plus for Swansea too and Bony has 25 this season. Are you saying Milan's midfield is worse than Villa's or Swansea's. Remy bagged 14-15 league goals himself. He had Cabaye for 6 months who himself wouldn't get on our bench and the rest of the 6 months he had Tiote, Moussa and Anita feeding him. Now that is awful. Immobile bagged 22 for Torino. Does he have the supply line that Balotelli has. Look I don't mind this guy because I don't think Giroud can do anything against the top 6-7 sides but I don't have this guy on the top of my list that's for sure. I'd take Benz or Lukaku in front of this guy and sell Giroud to get Mandzukic. That would be my ideal summer. Have to admit though that as the days fly by Im warming more and more to this idea. Don't want to see Giroud starting next season as a first 11 player at all.

Gunner89

flobaba wrote:
Claudius wrote:
Gunner, have you watched Milan since they let go of Pirlo? They have one of the most ineffective midfields at a top club in Europe. And El Shaarawy has been injured or inconsistent as well, so Balo has little to work with

Gunner don't care. Gunner want goalssss

Yes strangely that is what I want my striker to do. Score goals.

Burnwinter

@Gunner Sorry mate, I was just winding you up - don't take it seriously. 🙂(

I honestly agree with the direction of your thinking, I just think the distinctions you draw between some of these players are put a bit more starkly than is borne out by experience.

I'd take Benz or Lukaku in front of this guy and sell Giroud to get Mandzukic. That would be my ideal summer.

I think that's very logical but a bit dull, potentially.

Claudius

why would you sell Giroud for Mandzukic? because the latter plays at a bigger club? you're talking about a guy who can't start in a team full of midgets. he's basically the equivalent of Wenger preferring Walcott or Ox at the number 9.

Gunner89

Claudius wrote:
why would you sell Giroud for Mandzukic? because the latter plays at a bigger club? you're talking about a guy who can't start in a team full of midgets. he's basically the equivalent of Wenger preferring Walcott or Ox at the number 9.

Errrr....No. Madzukic I've seen him play quite a few times for Bayern. He's a better finisher, more prolific and scores in the big games as compared to Giroud. He played 30 of 34 league games for Bayern and started 20 for them. As I seem to recall Guardiola preferred midgets to Ibrahimovic too and he too would walk into our side.

Qwiss

Gunner89 wrote:
Claudius wrote:
why would you sell Giroud for Mandzukic? because the latter plays at a bigger club? you're talking about a guy who can't start in a team full of midgets. he's basically the equivalent of Wenger preferring Walcott or Ox at the number 9.

Errrr....No. Madzukic I've seen him play quite a few times for Bayern. He's a better finisher, more prolific and scores in the big games as compared to Giroud. He played 30 of 34 league games for Bayern and started 20 for them. As I seem to recall Guardiola preferred midgets to Ibrahimovic too and he too would walk into our side.

So who are these big games in the Bundesliga against then? Dortmund must be the biggest one right, because I remember a certain suave Frenchman scoring against them this season. 8)

Gunner89

qs! wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:
Errrr....No. Madzukic I've seen him play quite a few times for Bayern. He's a better finisher, more prolific and scores in the big games as compared to Giroud. He played 30 of 34 league games for Bayern and started 20 for them. As I seem to recall Guardiola preferred midgets to Ibrahimovic too and he too would walk into our side.

So who are these big games in the Bundesliga against then? Dortmund must be the biggest one right, because I remember a certain suave Frenchman scoring against them this season. 8)

He scored against Arsenal at the Emirates, against Juventus at the Delle Alpi and in the Champions league final also. Beyond that his league goalscoring record is .61 per game while Giroud's is .38 despite the fact that Mandzukic has a smaller proportion of starts to matches and minutes per match. Giroud's league haul as I mentioned earlier is 3 in 24 against the top 7 sides (and WHY I INCLUDE 7 these sides is because consistently over the last 4-5 years they have been among the top 7 sides or thereabouts)

Qwiss

So you have 2 examples of him scoring against big teams, one of whom is us. I don't doubt Mandzukic but you seems to have different rules for the strikers you want and Giroud when to comes to goals against "big teams".

Burnwinter

Bayern are ridiculously dominant in Germany, I'm not sure the numbers comparison is legitimate for that reason.

Gunner89

qs! wrote:
So you have 2 examples of him scoring against big teams, one of whom is us. I don't doubt Mandzukic but you seems to have different rules for the strikers you want and Giroud when to comes to goals against "big teams".

Well now I can't compare league records can I with Mandzukic and Giroud considering they play in different leagues.

Yes Giroud's record against the top 7 is horrific and at least 2 of liverpool's strikers, 2 of united's strikers and 2 of cities strikers have better records in these games over the last 2 years. In every single of those away games against these top 7 teams he's been completely anonymous. Rooney had an off-season and still outscored him in the league. RVP was a few goals short and missed half the season. Giroud is simply not good enough- He's neither prolific in the league and he goes missing in the big games completely.

Gunner89

Burnwinter™ wrote:
Bayern are ridiculously dominant in Germany, I'm not sure the numbers comparison is legitimate for that reason.

Well if you look at Bayern strikers over the course of the last 10 years-

Makaay has a near identical record for Deportivo and Bayern
Pizarro was scoring goals at a similar level at Werder and Bayern and his second spell at Werder he actually scored more.
Klose had a maximum league haul of 10 goals which he'd bettered every single season at Werder.
Gomez scored 28 in 32 and 35 in 44 for Stuttgart in his last 2 seasons before moving so he very prolific for them too
Toni scored 39 for Bayern in his 1 great season but he scored 30 goals in 2 of his last 4 seasons prior too.

Qwiss

Gunner89 wrote:
qs! wrote:
So you have 2 examples of him scoring against big teams, one of whom is us. I don't doubt Mandzukic but you seems to have different rules for the strikers you want and Giroud when to comes to goals against "big teams".

Well now I can't compare league records can I with Mandzukic and Giroud considering they play in different leagues.

Yes Giroud's record against the top 7 is horrific and at least 2 of liverpool's strikers, 2 of united's strikers and 2 of cities strikers have better records in these games over the last 2 years. In every single of those away games against these top 7 teams he's been completely anonymous. Rooney had an off-season and still outscored him in the league. RVP was a few goals short and missed half the season. Giroud is simply not good enough- He's neither prolific in the league and he goes missing in the big games completely.

So United 2 biggest players, both on over £200k a week. 2 of the biggest stars in world football. One of them scored 1 more than Giroud and one scored 4 less.

And of course thats just the league, selectively picked because in all competitions Giroud out scored both.

Burnwinter

Gunner89 wrote:
Well if you look at Bayern strikers over the course of the last 10 years

Look, good effort, but wouldn't you agree Bayern were much more dominant this season and last than during the rest of that period?

Bayern's for and against for 13-14 was 94 to 23 of which Mandzukic got 18 in 30 appearances.

Arsenal's was 68-41 of which Giroud got 16 in 36 appearances.

Arsenal scored 1.78 goals per game and Giroud got 0.44.

Bayern scored 2.47 goals per game and Mandzukic got 0.6.

As a ratio of overall output their figures are about the same, and Bayern are absolute top dogs playing in a considerably more lop-sided league. No teams in the Bundesliga beat Bayern 6-0, 5-1, 6-3 this season ...

Giroud's playing in a side that concedes 2 for every 3 and a bit it scores, Mandzukic in a side that concedes 1 for every 4 it scores!

What I see is that Mandzukic would probably be an incremental improvement on Giroud.

Klaus

Mandzukic is a much better player than Giroud. I don't see what this has to do with Balotelli though.

Gunner89

qs! wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:
Well now I can't compare league records can I with Mandzukic and Giroud considering they play in different leagues.

Yes Giroud's record against the top 7 is horrific and at least 2 of liverpool's strikers, 2 of united's strikers and 2 of cities strikers have better records in these games over the last 2 years. In every single of those away games against these top 7 teams he's been completely anonymous. Rooney had an off-season and still outscored him in the league. RVP was a few goals short and missed half the season. Giroud is simply not good enough- He's neither prolific in the league and he goes missing in the big games completely.

So United 2 biggest players, both on over £200k a week. 2 of the biggest stars in world football. One of them scored 1 more than Giroud and one scored 4 less.

And of course thats just the league, selectively picked because in all competitions Giroud out scored both.

What's money got to do with this? We're not short of cash now. We can afford to pay players competitive salaries. Call me realistic but the Champions league depends on a bit of luck too and among the domestic titles I prefer the league over the cups and Giroud is nearly non-existent to me for nearly 1/3rd of the fixtures. And about selective picking eh....The league is the one place you can uniformly judge because all premier league players play the same teams bar 1.

Burnwinter

Klaus wrote:
Mandzukic is a much better player than Giroud. I don't see what this has to do with Balotelli though.

Well he's being compared to Balotelli isn't he? Admittedly it's probably gone about as far as a spreadsheet can take it ...

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