Balotelli is a scatter gun, takes more shots than Ronaldo but scores less than 20 a season. I'd take him for £15m at most.

RE Remy, the case was dropped. I'm not in the business of making a man guilty by association or without evidence. Rape cases are hard to deal with evidence wise, but you can't go against him on the basis of a hunch.

Remy has proved he is a goal scorer at worse teams than us and provide work ethic, pace, channel running, and finishing. He isn't the world best, but we can do a job here.

I think Balotelli definitely has the potential to be a good goalscorer but i have my doubts about how he'd work in a passing side. Don't think he'd work too well with Ozil either.

Gunner89 wrote:

Blaming referees, completely ineffective when it matters like against Atletico, spearheading the worst milan team in decades, scoring less goals than Giroud etc.

You probably would have said similar things about Dennis Bergkamp

flobaba wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

Blaming referees, completely ineffective when it matters like against Atletico, spearheading the worst milan team in decades, scoring less goals than Giroud etc.

You probably would have said similar things about Dennis Bergkamp

Yes because as we all know the antics Bergkamp got upto and how he'd scored only about 150 goals at the age of 25 before joining.

flobaba wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

Blaming referees, completely ineffective when it matters like against Atletico, spearheading the worst milan team in decades, scoring less goals than Giroud etc.

You probably would have said similar things about Dennis Bergkamp

You couldn't say he was a half mad loose cannon though.

Remy's going to be in high demand in the summer. Luckily it won't be by the top-tier clubs. However we need to use this to our advantage and snap him up quickly. Than we can go out for the top striker and hopefully maximus can be sold.

Klaus wrote:

I think the fact that Remy has a good record at both QPR and Newcastle speaks to his advantage in that regard. Most of our squaddies would start regularly for those clubs.

He didn't have a good record at QPR. His record at Newcastle is ok but he's only scored the same as Giroud this season, not great numbers. Even in France he was never prolific.

I like Remys style but you'd be buying a 27 year in old in the hopes he makes a pretty big improvement.

QS, I don't think that's the point. Remy does not need to improve. He just needs to be put on the field where we are lacking goals - positions occupied by every wide forward not named Theo.

Podolski scores plenty.

How many has Podolski this year? How many games has he played? We can't rely on him.
A combination of Podolski, Oxlade Chamberlain, Walcott and Remy is what I would like to see at wide forward.

I don't want to see these Wilshere/Rosicky/Cazorla midgets who don't score.

qs! wrote:

Klaus wrote:

I think the fact that Remy has a good record at both QPR and Newcastle speaks to his advantage in that regard. Most of our squaddies would start regularly for those clubs.

He didn't have a good record at QPR. His record at Newcastle is ok but he's only scored the same as Giroud this season, not great numbers. Even in France he was never prolific.

I like Remys style but you'd be buying a 27 year in old in the hopes he makes a pretty big improvement.

He has 19 league goals in 37 games. More than a goal every other game. 6 in 14 is decent for one of the worst clubs in the league. And at newcastle the most creative midfielder (Cabaye) would barely make our bench and even he's not around anymore.

In 6 less months playing for far worse team's he 2 off Giroud's league haul for us.

Cabaye would barely make our bench you say? I don't think so.

With a full strength first 11 we'd still have Podolski, Chamberlain and Wilshere on the bench. Who'd he be ahead off.

Arteta/Flamini.

Gunner89 wrote:

qs! wrote:

He didn't have a good record at QPR. His record at Newcastle is ok but he's only scored the same as Giroud this season, not great numbers. Even in France he was never prolific.

I like Remys style but you'd be buying a 27 year in old in the hopes he makes a pretty big improvement.

He has 19 league goals in 37 games. More than a goal every other game. 6 in 14 is decent for one of the worst clubs in the league.

Yeah, I think so too. 6 in 14 for a side stuck to the bottom the way QPR was is a good record. It's not just the end product either - he actually lifted them a level with the way he played.

Remy or Benteke?

The posts quoted will tell you plus the mention of QPR

Given the choice I'd have Remy over Giorud at the club.

Would rather Benteke long term though, beast potential.

JazzG wrote:

And what would be wrong with that? You can't have every player in your squad being world class. Are Schurrle or Salah world class? No they're not but they work well in their system and give them options

As a first choice player I'd say no but as a member of the squad at £10m is a no brainer.

Is a striker who contributes almost nothing to our build up play good for our system?

Remy is a pace merchant with decent finishing IMO.

He could do the business against retarded bottom half teams, but we'll be fucked if we go to Europe or any smart PL team with Remy as our CF. They'll reduce the space which will render him useless and worst of all, our game will suffer, because at AFC, we rely on our CF to link up play very well for our game to flow. Have you guys not seen how poor we look when say someone like Poldi (who is also poor with his back to goal, just like Remy) plays as our CF?

I don't expect our 2nd choice striker to be world beater, but at least he should suit the way we play. I wouldn't even bring in a world beater who fucks up the way we play let alone a decent player like Remy.

If we want to compete with the big boys again, we should go for well-rounded players (with above average skill sets), but if we want to compete with the likes of Spurs then 1 dimensional players like Remy is the way to go IMO.

Gunner89 wrote:

Tactics wrote:

Is a striker who contributes almost nothing to our build up play good for our system?

Remy is a pace merchant with decent finishing IMO.

He could do the business against retarded bottom half teams, but we'll be fucked if we go to Europe or any smart PL team with Remy as our CF. They'll reduce the space which will render him useless and worst of all, our game will suffer, because at AFC, we rely on our CF to link up play very well for our game to flow. Have you guys not seen how poor we look when say someone like Poldi (who is also poor with his back to goal, just like Remy) plays as our CF?

I don't expect our 2nd choice striker to be world beater, but at least he should suit the way we play. I wouldn't even bring in a world beater who fucks up the way we play let alone a decent player like Remy.

If we want to compete with the big boys again, we should go for well-rounded players (with above average skill sets), but if we want to compete with the likes of Spurs then 1 dimensional players like Remy is the way to go IMO.

He's scored against Chelsea who are the most disciplined outfit in the league, scored at white hart lane and goodison park. Giroud hasn't scored against the top 4 in 2 years here and none of the top 7-8 pl teams away from home.

He scores more than Giroud and against better teams too playing for a weaker team.

Playing for a midtable counter attacking team. Too bad Chelsea would set up differently against us

Tactics wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

He's scored against Chelsea who are the most disciplined outfit in the league, scored at white hart lane and goodison park. Giroud hasn't scored against the top 4 in 2 years here and none of the top 7-8 pl teams away from home.

He scores more than Giroud and against better teams too playing for a weaker team.

Playing for a midtable counter attacking team. Too bad Chelsea would set up differently against us

Of course they set up to play differently against a team that plays differently but Chelsea are a thoroughly organized outfit that have conceded just 23 this season. He has a much more capable record than Giroud in england.

Remy is a much better footballer than he's given credit for

He's very similar to Walcott.

Only that they run fast that's it

He can't dribble too well, like Walcott and he isn't the greatest technically, like walcott. He is a good finisher though and would probably get similar numbers to walcott

He's 3-4 short of Walcott's entire league haul in 13 months in England playing for a relegation outfit and a mid-table team. He's actually quite powerful too.

He's taller and probably a bit stronger, also Walcott's got his goals from the wide positions, as a striker Walcott would probably be getting similar numbers. For a wide player, Ben Afa might actually be a more suited option.

But the whole point of Remy is that he can play both as a centre and a wide forward. Would never want Ben Arfa. His decision making makes every Arsenal player look like a genius.

Gunner89 wrote:

He's 3-4 short of Walcott's entire league haul in 13 months in England playing for a relegation outfit and a mid-table team. He's actually quite powerful too.

No he's not

qs! wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

He's 3-4 short of Walcott's entire league haul in 13 months in England playing for a relegation outfit and a mid-table team. He's actually quite powerful too.

No he's not

Wait a second.. You're saying Remy hasn't scored 41-42 goals in the last 13 months?!

JazzG wrote:

Ben Arfa is a lost cause, guy has unreal talent and should of become one of the best players in the world. He beats players for fun, has pace but most of his decision making his appalling. I thought at the time we should of signed him ahead of Nasri but he just hasn't pushed on as a player.

Tactics wrote:

If we want to compete with the big boys again, we should go for well-rounded players (with above average skill sets), but if we want to compete with the likes of Spurs then 1 dimensional players like Remy is the way to go IMO.

Like I've said I DO NOT want him as a first XI player but as an option is our squad. For the rumoured £8m-£10m buy out clause he has you won't find many better options who are settled into this league and can play a few different positions. Also is quick meaning if we are without Theo we don't get squeezed up the pitch when teams put up a high line

What is the point of buying a squad play that isn't suited to your game? The point of subs is they can come on and do a job (keep everything flowing) without fucking up your game.

Have you seen how poor Remy is with his back to goal? And don't you think it's vital for an Arsenal striker to be good with his back to goal?

As I said recently, we just seem to buy players these days without asking ourselves whether they'd fit in with the way we want to play the game. Poor transfer isn't only when you bring in duds, but it is also when you bring in good players that aren't suited to your style of play. Remy lacks the qualities needed to be an Arsenal striker IMO (yes even for a back up role). And he is also too limited for my liking. Footballers with all-round skills is the way to go.

People go on about the pace in Liverpool's front 4, but don't talk much about the skill and passing ability of those players. The media wanked off Gerrard for his outrageous pass against Fulham, but Sterling pulled off an identical one about a week later. Suarez is also a brilliant passer of the ball, Coutinho is already one of the best through-ball specialists in Europe, even Sturridge is a good passer. Konoplyanka nearly signed for them in January, he's another forward with almost everything in his game; good passing, vision, pace, dribbling etc

Those are the sort of players I'd like to see in our attack. Having forwards like that enables you to launch attacks without overcommitting and also makes it very difficult for the opposition to stifle you. Please no 1 dimensional pace merchants who look lost when they are deprived of space. Also, no midgets that can't run and are a liability without the ball. Pace, height (not a must in every single position but highly desired), strengths AND good footballing ability please.

If we are looking for a forward that can operate in the 3 forward positions, why not fork out 25m and bring in real quality like Alexis Sanchez? Why look for bargains (far less quality) when we have millions in the bank? Lack of ambition IMO.

Gunner89 wrote:

Tactics wrote:

Playing for a midtable counter attacking team. Too bad Chelsea would set up differently against us

Of course they set up to play differently against a team that plays differently but Chelsea are a thoroughly organized outfit that have conceded just 23 this season. He has a much more capable record than Giroud in england.

Which makes it easier for pace merchants like Remy to score against them. We failed to score in all of our 3 matches against Chelsea this season, no one is going to convince me our forwards are the worst in the league.

I don't know why keep mentioning Giroud, you are bring up that name to the wrong poster. I think he should be sold this summer. Yes, I don't even think we should keep him as back-up option. Mind you, Giroud might end up with around 25 goals this season, just to make clear I generally don't care about what stats say. Remy is 1 dimensional pace merchant who will get found out at a top 4 club IMO, the tons of goals he bangs in for midtable sides isn't going to make me change my mind about him. I take it you also wanted us to sign Darren Bent, didn't you?

Remy can't even get ahead of Giroud in the French team, says it all.

qs! wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

He's 3-4 short of Walcott's entire league haul in 13 months in England playing for a relegation outfit and a mid-table team. He's actually quite powerful too.

No he's not

My mistake I meant half of Walcott's entire league haul and that's certainly true

Tactics wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

Of course they set up to play differently against a team that plays differently but Chelsea are a thoroughly organized outfit that have conceded just 23 this season. He has a much more capable record than Giroud in england.

Which makes it easier for pace merchants like Remy to score against them. We failed to score in all of our 3 matches against Chelsea this season, no one is going to convince me our forwards are the worst in the league.

I don't know why keep mentioning Giroud, you are bring up that name to the wrong poster. I think he should be sold this summer. Yes, I don't even think we should keep him as back-up option. Mind you, Giroud might end up with around 25 goals this season, just to make clear I generally don't care about what stats say. Remy is 1 dimensional pace merchant who will get found out at a top 4 club IMO, the tons of goals he bangs in for midtable sides isn't going to make me change my mind about him. I take it you also wanted us to sign Darren Bent, didn't you?

Remy can't even get ahead of Giroud in the French team, says it all.

Actually 0 goals against the top 4 in 2 years despite multiple presentable opportunities and 3 against the top 7 in 23 games all at home suggest that Giroud is crap against good teams

Tactics wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

Of course they set up to play differently against a team that plays differently but Chelsea are a thoroughly organized outfit that have conceded just 23 this season. He has a much more capable record than Giroud in england.

Which makes it easier for pace merchants like Remy to score against them. We failed to score in all of our 3 matches against Chelsea this season, no one is going to convince me our forwards are the worst in the league.

I don't know why keep mentioning Giroud, you are bring up that name to the wrong poster. I think he should be sold this summer. Yes, I don't even think we should keep him as back-up option. Mind you, Giroud might end up with around 25 goals this season, just to make clear I generally don't care about what stats say. Remy is 1 dimensional pace merchant who will get found out at a top 4 club IMO, the tons of goals he bangs in for midtable sides isn't going to make me change my mind about him. I take it you also wanted us to sign Darren Bent, didn't you?

Remy can't even get ahead of Giroud in the French team, says it all.

And Debuchy has been in front of Sagna for the last 18-24 months so that has no relevance

Gunner89 wrote:

Tactics wrote:

Which makes it easier for pace merchants like Remy to score against them. We failed to score in all of our 3 matches against Chelsea this season, no one is going to convince me our forwards are the worst in the league.

I don't know why keep mentioning Giroud, you are bring up that name to the wrong poster. I think he should be sold this summer. Yes, I don't even think we should keep him as back-up option. Mind you, Giroud might end up with around 25 goals this season, just to make clear I generally don't care about what stats say. Remy is 1 dimensional pace merchant who will get found out at a top 4 club IMO, the tons of goals he bangs in for midtable sides isn't going to make me change my mind about him. I take it you also wanted us to sign Darren Bent, didn't you?

Remy can't even get ahead of Giroud in the French team, says it all.

And Debuchy has been in front of Sagna for the last 18-24 months so that has no relevance

Debuchy is better on the ball (very important if you want to play with offensive full-backs), so you can see why he starts over Sagna.

Tactics wrote:

Having forwards like that enables you to launch attacks without overcommitting and also makes it very difficult for the opposition to stifle you. Please no 1 dimensional pace merchants who look lost when they are deprived of space. Also, no midgets that can't run and are a liability without the ball. Pace, height (not a must in every single position but highly desired), strengths AND good footballing ability please.

Why look for bargains (far less quality) when we have millions in the bank? Lack of ambition IMO.

agree completely.

pires and ljungberg were both midfielders with good awareness, but had a forward's instincts off the ball, good pace (in their prime), and were excellent finishers with good shooting technique. pires was a taller guy, helped him generate power while sidefooting - provides accuracy and bend.

henry and bergkamp speak for themselves.

all around footballers who "got it" and had the athleticism and technique to execute what was in their heads.