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The Wenger Thread!

goon

Again I don't completely disagree with you, it's his job to find someone here who is good enough and in the 4 windows since we sold van Persie he should have certainly been able to replace him, if not with a Suarez then someone promising who can turn into a top player ala Sturridge.

But it still doesn't mean you spend £25m on someone who you don't think is good enough, or you don't know is good enough, just because they're probably better than Giroud. That's not a mistake, that's just careless.

We've wasted plenty of money over the years buying substandard talent, Santos, Gervinho or even Giroud if you like. All the more reason to look for those who are not going to be a let down.

Biggus

Yep, hate those 25m players.

goon

Well you're not too fond of the £42m ones so that doesn't surprise me.

Gunner89

"There's plenty of positives to take from the game at the Etihad. But of course we must defend better

"We were 17 or 18 times top of the league this season. We need to continue to work well, we have been unlucky with injuries"

Unlucky with injuries excuse once again

Gazza M

Wenger thinks Arsenal were much more competitive at the Etihad than they were at Anfield or Stamford Bridge but he can see a trend in his team's approach.

"The only common thing I see is that maybe we were a bit too cautious or a bit on the back foot," said Wenger.

"The only other thing is that they were three games at 12.45pm. Do we have to change our preparation for a game at that time? I don’t think we do anything wrong because we have played some other games at 12.45pm and we did very well. Maybe it was a psychological factor, I don’t know."

there you have it. we were too cautious when our cbs were repeatedly caught in 3 on 2 counterattacks :\

someone file this mans paperwork :\

lorddulaarsenal

"I don't know"

Qwiss

Gazza M wrote:
Wenger thinks Arsenal were much more competitive at the Etihad than they were at Anfield or Stamford Bridge but he can see a trend in his team's approach.

"The only common thing I see is that maybe we were a bit too cautious or a bit on the back foot," said Wenger.

"The only other thing is that they were three games at 12.45pm. Do we have to change our preparation for a game at that time? I don’t think we do anything wrong because we have played some other games at 12.45pm and we did very well. Maybe it was a psychological factor, I don’t know."

there you have it. we were too cautious when our cbs were repeatedly caught in 3 on 2 counterattacks :\

someone file this mans paperwork :\

Trick is not to play any centre halves. Having them at all is overly cautious.

ludovicvanzis

I don't think Wenger meant overly cautious tactically (or in our positioning). I think he meant the way the players approached the game was with fear and too much respect for the opposition.

Or maybe not, can't remember the details of City away.

Qwiss

The City game should have ended 6-5 to them rather than 6-3 but we had a few really bad calls against us. We weren't cautious in any sense.

JazzG

I loved how he put down Scholes as well, the fucker was shy all these years and wouldn't shut his mouth up the other day though.

goon

I actually thought our approach against City was pretty good. Defended with numbers and also got forward. The issue in that game was some horrid individual performances and mistakes from the likes of Ozil, Nacho and the centre mids as well as the injury to Koscielny. Once it became 4-2 with limited time left the rest is pretty immaterial.

Still think we should be fair better against City, they neither press with any real tempo, nor do they attack with a great deal of pace, which is generally what we struggle against.

Qwiss

If Aguero is fit they'll attack with pace. No Kos is a problem too. Vermaelen is a mess.

Qwiss

"We have not given up believe me. It's our attitude tomorrow which will show that."

Queue a hammering.

kamikaze

tbf, I agree completely with scholes. might not like the player, but objectively, his observations ring true with what I see myself:

"midfield players with no discipline" and adding that "there are no leaders" at the north London club. He also accused Jack Wilshere of failing to reach the "next level."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/28/arsene-wenger-arsenal-paul-scholes-title

Claudius

saw that yesterday, Kami. completely agree with your highlighted points. i'm not sure what is happening with Wilshere. hopefully, it is just the injuries and he grows into the best English player in due time.

kamikaze

Klaus wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
Given the funds dedicated to our operations team and the sums of money involved in these transfers, it's a disgrace that we're bidding on star players without a forensic legal analysis of their contractual situation, based on the actual documents, in place.

I really don't think we did. No company in the world would ever do it and I don't think any football club would either. It doesn't make a lick of sense when you look at it from a business perspective.

I'm an attorney. It wouldn't cost much to have a solicitor read the contract and give an opinion on whether there is a release clause. If anything, it wouldn't make a lick of sense NOT to, considering the amount of the transfer fee (or the difference between Suarez's market value and the amount needed to activate his release clause).

This is pretty bread and butter stuff.

Claudius

Again, agree with Kami.
And if the clause was found to be unlear, we should have had a more rounded strategy, including finding what the player is worth. There is always somebody who will tell you that. I am working on a large acquisition right now. There is always somebody to tell you what you should be offering even in that more sensitive context.

Klaus

kamikaze wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I really don't think we did. No company in the world would ever do it and I don't think any football club would either. It doesn't make a lick of sense when you look at it from a business perspective.
I'm an attorney. It wouldn't cost much to have a solicitor read the contract and give an opinion on whether there is a release clause. If anything, it wouldn't make a lick of sense NOT to, considering the amount of the transfer fee (or the difference between Suarez's market value and the amount needed to activate his release clause).

This is pretty bread and butter stuff.

Indeed. The idea that we never got to look at a copy of his contract before we made a £40 million bid is strange.

goon

Chances are even if we looked at it and saw it wasn't a waterproof clause we'd have still made the bid to test it out, nothing to lose and it probably helped harden Suarez's stance on leaving. Unfortunately Liverpool decided they didn't want to sell regardless.

evoh

Wenger's snipe back to Scholes:

No opinion matter unless you manage a team.

Ok, so one of the top midfielders of all time is calling you out and he needs to what, become you to make a judgement on a midfield performance. Wenger is a caricature of himself as he goes on with this sort of drivel talk. fair play if I was to tell him they were disorganized and lacked discipline, but this is a player who has done it to the top.

Add in the idea that "being conservative" is having 2 FBs up the pitch with 5 minutes to in a game you are scraping a 2-1 win and you have a man who has truly lost his marbles in public. Its embarrassing for him and for the fans, its like seeing your old family dog bumping into walls and shitting all over the house.

Sad times, but he has to go.

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