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The Mesut Özil GIF/Video Thread

Rex

He has hacked Amstel's computer of course. 🙂

Volante

qs! wrote:
So where did you get the live pass success % rates during the match?

Whoscored.com

FourFourTwo Stat Zone works too

Captain

He missed like 5 or 6 passes, so the point stands irrespective of the availability of the stats. He had an average game overall, but Ozil's average games are rarely detrimental so it doesn't really matter.

JazzG

qs! wrote:
JazzG wrote:
To be fair though mate you said last night that the game he had one of the worst pass % of any game he had played and at the time he had over 90% passing accuracy.

😆 Volly made that up.

Stats Zone app on iPhone gives up to date stats and you can filter between time periods. First half he made 54 out of 59 passes and second half 30 out of 31.

Gunner89

I'll say this again. Ozil won't function at 100 percent with an immobile striker. You put fabregas behind giroud and even he (who I think is the best through passer in Europe) won't be able to do much.

Amstel

Whoscored updates every 2 minutes during the game, it's not hard to get live in-game stats.

Qwiss

JazzG wrote:
qs! wrote:
😆 Volly made that up.

Stats Zone app on iPhone gives up to date stats and you can filter between time periods. First half he made 54 out of 59 passes and second half 30 out of 31.

So that proves my point. He was below his usual level in the first half. Especially between the injury and half time.

Amstel

qs! wrote:
JazzG wrote:
Stats Zone app on iPhone gives up to date stats and you can filter between time periods. First half he made 54 out of 59 passes and second half 30 out of 31.

So that proves my point. He was below his usual level in the first half. Especially between the injury and half time.

You do realise 54 out of 59 passes is still 91.5%, which is a high pass success rate for any attacking midfielder...

Qwiss

Losing the ball 5 times in a half of football is poor for a player of Ozils ability.

Also just looking at whoscored now and Ozil has the lowest rating out of the whole team. Ye can try to distract all ye want but he was below par last night.

Volante

Whoscored ratings are pointless.

Amstel

Xavi has a pass completion rate this season of 92.5% and he is generally regarded as the 'pass master'.

It is extremely rare to find any AM who has a pass completion rate over 90% due to the very nature of the passes they are attempting and the area of the pitch they are attempting said passes. Saying a pass completion rate of 91.5% on over 50 passes is poor is a ludicrous suggestion.

For instance, I'm as big of a Cesc fanboy you'll likely to find but in general his pass completion rate was generally around 80% when he played for us in an advanced role.

Qwiss

Volante wrote:
Whoscored ratings are pointless.

Fair enough.

Do you think Ozil had one of his better games for us last night?

Volante

Nope, but at the same time I don't think he had one of his poorer games.

JazzG

qs! wrote:
So that proves my point. He was below his usual level in the first half. Especially between the injury and half time.

92% pass accuracy is the kind of levels that Xavi achieves and he play a lot deeper than Ozil hence subjected to a lot less pressing and generally easier to pass the ball around.

As for how good he was, had a mixed game I thought. In spells he was fantastic but most of the game like most of the attacking players a mixed bag. When he has an average game he still is a lot better than most of our players, main problem yesterday was our front three not being mobile enough imo. A problem we've had too many times this season and something which worries me.

DiabyKungFu

Amstel wrote:
In 24 games, he has 5 goals, 9 assists (most), 7 pre-assists (most with Ramsey).

He created 3 goalscoring opportunities yesterday, again the most in our team.

He averages 3 key passes a game this season, the only players with more key passes this season are Totti and Silva, one of those is in a weaker league the other has much better strikers to play behind. He had more assists than any player in Europe's top 5 leagues in 2013 and this season has made more passes in the final 3rd that any player in the league. All the while playing behind a fucking donkey up top with shit movement and runs.

This.

I don't really understand the need to delve into the secondary effects on the team with regard to his movement, positional versatility and decision making (though I do agree that these factors are important) in order to "defend" him. His raw numbers by themselves are very good.

I also think it should be mentioned that the team that went on that run towards the end of last season was pretty bad offensively and that was with Santi Cazorla playing like Santi Cazorla and Theo Walcott not being injured. People like to complain about Giroud but we haven't had a single consistently good wide player all season, left or right. Ozil has literally been the only member of the front 4 that has been performing at a good level.

Overall, he has been a top 10-15 player in the Premier League this season and he's still capable of much more. He's not been perfect but the criticism of him has been really weird in my opinion.

ludovicvanzis

Didn't like ozil at madrid because he always looked tired and because whenever i watched el clasico the barca midgets ran rings around him. Granted that was at barca's peak and the rest of ozil's team wasnt doing much better either.

Having seen a lot more of him this season i think he takes too much time on the ball. He also seems out of sync with the rest of the team. Curious to see how he links up with podolski because they know each other.

Point being that the haters aren't stupid. They're picking up on something but are not interpreting it as best as they could.

Grimson

haters are gonna hate.

marv3llous

Grimson wrote:
haters are gonna hate.

That is the only absolute truth in this thread.

Im not saying Özil is and should be above critisism, but he definately has not been dissapointing. Not as impressive as some may have thought he would be, but there are reasons for it - he is adjusting and our offensive setup is a our weakest link this year. Yet we are top of the table.

Irishgunner

Personally think he occasionally dwells because he's waiting for runners, runners which never materialise.

goon

marv3llous wrote:
Grimson wrote:
haters are gonna hate.

That is the only absolute truth in this thread.

Yes of course, all these Arsenal fans critical of him can't stand his success and would like nothing better than him to ultimately fail, picking at every flaw along the way.

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