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Luis la biter Suarez

goon

y va marquer wrote:
Don't be so melodramatic Tim 🙂
You cannot rehabilitate a sociopath just by having them switch football clubs.
I understand that people want to downgrade Suarez's various misdemeanors in light of the possibity of us signing him, but I think you're kidding yourselves if you think he will ever change.

Of course people can modify their behavior, especially in different environments. We're not talking about changing him as a person deep down inside.

The only real issue for me is the racism. Personally I've become indifferent to the personalities of footballers. Unless he's part of some sort of supremacist group that goes around biting black folks in his spare time, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not a racist scumbag, but just a penis with no sense of what is socially acceptable.

Patters

He just needs to be loved. Maybe we can change him.

y va marquer

I'm surprised at how many of you have such belief in the power of people to change and modify their behaviour.
It's actually very rare that people do.

lorddulaarsenal

Maybe we're just softies

y va marquer

😆 Maybe.
Jeez this place is weird sometimes

goon

y va marquer wrote:
I'm surprised at how many of you have such belief in the power of people to change and modify their behaviour.
It's actually very rare that people do.

I've seen it plenty of times with my own eyes, and in far more profound ways than simply learning not to be a dick at work.

Personality is what's difficult to change.

lorddulaarsenal

As far as the racist comments go. It's the equivalent of someone calling me a bloody sexy honky or cracker or vanilla face

Bold Tone

That's nothing if one of your mates calls you that, but if Evra says that then he will suffer the consequences.

Timbob

Point is, there's no rhyme or reason to any of this. He's a brilliant footballer, and that's all I really care about. He's not my mate, I don't have to work alongside him.

y va marquer

otfgoon wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
I'm surprised at how many of you have such belief in the power of people to change and modify their behaviour.
It's actually very rare that people do.

I've seen it plenty of times with my own eyes, and in far more profound ways than simply learning not to be a dick at work.

Personality is what's difficult to change.

Caving into an unprovoked and uncontrolled compulsion to bite someone on the neck would lead to immediate dismissal in most workplaces 🙂
You've witnessed similar types of beaviour and seen the person involved change profoundly for the better?
With Suarez we're not just dealing with someone who is rude or socially inept.

Timbob

Little bit disingenuous. This is football, Ivanovic is a centre back and Suarez is a centre forward, there's always some sort of provocation and an urge for retaliation.

y va marquer

Ivanovic did zip to provoke Suarez in that situation - that's why the incident appeared so mental.
People who can't control violent compulsions generally use the provocation line of defence.
That is one of the main reasons that it's exceptionally difficult to rehabilitate them.
It's never their fault.

lorddulaarsenal

It was his arm not neck

y va marquer

No he didn't!

lorddulaarsenal

He did a few seasons back

Bold Tone

He is a footballer and surely kicking Ivanovic for no reason at all would be being mad enough.
Devouring his arm is a little bit much, imo.

Kel Varnsen

y va marquer wrote:
Ivanovic did zip to provoke Suarez in that situation - that's why the incident appeared so mental.

suarez went mental in that situation, but there is constant provocation between strikers and defenders throughout any match.

Timbob

As I said, Suarez is a centre forward and Ivanovic a centre half, there would have been provocation and niggle all game. Goes with the territory. Ivanovic rakes his studs down Saurez's achilles and nobody bats an eyelid, leaves his elbow in when winning a header, not a big deal.

It's just the nature of the Suarez retaliation that people have trouble getting their heads around.

y va marquer

And they have trouble getting their heads around it because it was nuts.

lorddulaarsenal

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