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Get jiggy with the Higgy?

Clrnc

JazzG wrote:
Tactics wrote:
But in the really tight games, with little or no space to operate in, where quality close control is required to make things happen, they are often found wanting. I'd rather bring in a technician/magician given the way we play and the type of forwards already at our disposal.

Who would you suggest we buy instead?

The thing is, if Higuain join us he will be the least of our worries. He won't be a liability, which is what Tactics is suggesting.

Higuain can produce some match winning special moments as well on his own imo. And his link up play is fantastic.

goon

I think y va clarified at some point that it's not a list of who we should sign but simply a list of players better than Higuain.

lorddulaarsenal

Ah yes. Was a mighty list

Tactics

JazzG wrote:
Tactics wrote:
But in the really tight games, with little or no space to operate in, where quality close control is required to make things happen, they are often found wanting. I'd rather bring in a technician/magician given the way we play and the type of forwards already at our disposal.

Who would you suggest we buy instead?

I'd buy Jovetic AND Tevez(just incase Jovetic doesn't hit the ground running and he could also be used as a 2nd striker with Wilshere taking a deeper role where he's played his best football to date). We could get both for less than £35m.

A creative forward like Jovetic is perfect for forwards like Theo and Podolski.

Or buy Rooney.

Amstel

I'd rather sign someone you know when that 1 or 2 chances come through in the tight, big games, you can rely on the guy put through to finish the chances without fail, and everything about this guy suggests he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net, he is a finisher.

As for his record in the big games being poor, has he ever been the main man, how many of those games did he start? And even if he fails to shine in the big games, a flat track bully to put away the 16 other teams in the league will go a long way to winning you the league regardless.

As for signing a 'creative forward', I'd rather leave that to signing a proper number 10 to do the creating for the forward, and let the forward rely on doing the finishing.

Amstel

The real question is not whether Higuain is good enough, its whether we have a creator, a number 10, good enough to supply, and the answer is we don't. Cazorla is more effective as a support man off the wing, Wilshere for a multitude of reasons is not good enough in the role and Rosicky is Rosicky, a squad player.

Tactics

Clrnc wrote:
JazzG wrote:
Who would you suggest we buy instead?

The thing is, if Higuain join us he will be the least of our worries. He won't be a liability, which is what Tactics is suggesting.

Higuain can produce some match winning special moments as well on his own imo. And his link up play is fantastic.

Think you'll be very disappointed if you think his link up play is anything but decent. How would you describe Bezema's link up play then(because there's no dispute the French man is far superior in this area)? out of this world, right?

And no I'm not suggesting he'll be a liabilty, he'll score tons of goals, that I'm sure of, however given the forwards at our disposal, I'd rather bring in another type of forward - that is the point I'm making.

I'd welcome this move if he we sell one of Theo or Podolski and bring in a creative player like Isco.

The forwards at our disposal get u loads of goals over the course of a season but will be found wanting in games where something special is needed to make the difference. Makaay was of the same ilk; a 20+ goals a season striker but had a dismal record in the knock out phase of the champions league.

Dragan

Tactics wrote:
JazzG wrote:
Who would you suggest we buy instead?

I'd buy Jovetic AND Tevez(just incase Jovetic doesn't hit the ground running and he could also be used as a 2nd striker with Wilshere taking a deeper role where he's played his best football to date). We could get both for less than £35m.

A creative forward like Jovetic is perfect for forwards like Theo and Podolski.

Or buy Rooney.

I think that is a completely wrong approach to balancing our front line. The creativity should always fall on one of the wingers in three forwards line up so Cazorla-Higuain-Walcott would be much better than Podolski-Jovetic-Walcott. We should never use Poldi and Walcott at the same time so if we use Cazorla + 1 on the wings that leaves us with Wilshere and Rosicky for the AM position which is not bad, but ideally we will sign someone with similar qualities to Cazorla (or better yet clone the midget).

Captain

Don't worry, we're signing Rooney and Cesc.

Tactics

Dragan wrote:
Tactics wrote:
I'd buy Jovetic AND Tevez(just incase Jovetic doesn't hit the ground running and he could also be used as a 2nd striker with Wilshere taking a deeper role where he's played his best football to date). We could get both for less than £35m.

A creative forward like Jovetic is perfect for forwards like Theo and Podolski.

Or buy Rooney.

I think that is a completely wrong approach to balancing our front line. The creativity should always fall on one of the wingers in three forwards line up so Cazorla-Higuain-Walcott would be much better than Podolski-Jovetic-Walcott. We should never use Poldi and Walcott at the same time so if we use Cazorla + 1 on the wings that leaves us with Wilshere and Rosicky for the AM position which is not bad, but ideally we will sign someone with similar qualities to Cazorla (or better yet clone the midget).

I'm not sure that's the case, for example Barca use Messi as their creative fulcrum and that seems to be working fine. I agree with u though Cazorla--Higuain--Theo is better than Podolski--Jovetic--Theo but that's because Cazorla is currently better than Jovetic. Put Messi for example in place of Jovetic in the 2nd front 3 and it will be better than the 1st one. Anyway, let's not get too much into this as it isn't my main point.

Cazorla--Jovetic/Tevez---Theo would be my 1st choice front 3. But my point is, in the absence of Cazorla(due to injury, suspension etc), I'd rather a front 3 of Podolski--Jovetic---Theo than Podolski--Higuain---Theo

Patters

Tactics wrote:
Put Messi for example in place of Jovetic in the 2nd front 3 and it will be better than the 1st one.

Genius tactics.

I agree a creative forward would balance things better because theo is going to be a selfish shitbag goal scoring machine. But I don't think we can do any better than Higgy now. Jovetic or Rooney might've been ideal, but we're not going to sign them. The basic problem we need to address is that our football is shit. Why is it shit? Because our forwards can't control a football and so moves break down. Higuain has good control. A genius no.10 would be better, but just by having someone who can take an awkward pass and play the sensible option, we automatically improve a lot.

JazzG

Tactics wrote:
I'd buy Jovetic AND Tevez(just incase Jovetic doesn't hit the ground running and he could also be used as a 2nd striker with Wilshere taking a deeper role where he's played his best football to date). We could get both for less than £35m.

A creative forward like Jovetic is perfect for forwards like Theo and Podolski.

Or buy Rooney.

Jovetic - He seems to want a move to Juve, his club also are pricing him out of a move with a 30mill euro price tag.

Tevez - Firstly I don't think Man City would ever entertain selling to us, they'll flog him cheap abroad but they wouldn't sell to us unless the player pushes for the move and I don't think he'd want to move here.

Rooney - Would be an awesome signing but despite our twitter ITKs suggesting otherwise I really can't see him wanting to move here nor can I see Man Utd selling to us.

I'm not picking on your post here and even though Higuain wouldn't be my first choice either realistically I think he might be the best we can get. We don't have the pulling power of other clubs unfortunately. If he can get us 20 league goals a season he'll be a huge asset to us. Yeah he might not be the type to score a goal out of nothing but I think as we have shown down the years strikers at Arsenal get ample chances in most matches and he does seem like someone who can be clinical in that respect. Good pace and clever movement so I think he can do a job for us.

Ray

Higuain will probably turn out to be a cazorla-esque signing. Slightly patchy throughout the season with moments of genius and solid numbers by the end of the season. We would need another consistent big name, so to speak, to play in the number 10 spot, preferably a striker. Wouldn't even mind Villa at this point, it's clear we won't be getting Rooney or even Jovetic for that matter.

goon

Tactics wrote:
Cazorla--Jovetic/Tevez---Theo would be my 1st choice front 3. But my point is, in the absence of Cazorla(due to injury, suspension etc), I'd rather a front 3 of Podolski--Jovetic---Theo than Podolski--Higuain---Theo

Ideally we'd have someone who has the combined ability of both but then they'd be out of our price range. Jovetic will give us creativity but he's never scored more than 14 goals in a season and those who have watched him say he's not a suitable lone striker.

Clrnc

News from Argentina.

OGUITAS ‏@TomyOgas 46m
"Arsenal F.C.:El club pagaría por Higuaín 26 millones de euros y un salario de 7 millones de euros anuales por 4 temporadas."

Irishgunner

Who is @TomyOgas?

lorddulaarsenal

That theeee TomyOgas?

Big Willie

That's pretty much a copy paste job from the AS website from earlier today.

Timbob

Dules, you speak Argie, what does that say?

lorddulaarsenal

Says

Arsenal FC, a poor club, want to buy 26 Higuains each with a one euro salary. Seven million euros for anal but you'll have a temperature after.

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