I've noticed few managers are respected or admired in the League by us for various reasons. For example, in the General Football thread Mancini has been described as average and a joke of a manager for not handling Balotelli presumably.
So who do you rate and why? Who do you hate, who's average etc?
I rate and hate Fungus for obvious reasons and i think Mancini is below average even after all his achievements so far.
I used to rate Wenger but not anymore though i cannot hate him after all he has done for us.
This includes managers not in the top 4 as well. Just saying.
I think Laudrup has done really well.
i rate and hate fungus the red nose. i definitely rate moyes. i rate avb, hughton, martinez and i really rate what laudrup has done so far, on and off the pitch.
Fergie, Wenger, Moyes. The rest is much of a muchness.
Do like AVB.
Moyes is impressive.
Ferguson is the best manager in the leaugue.
Followed by Wenger and Moyes. Keep an eye out on Avb, Hughton and Laudrup.
Mark Hughes is the worst.
Not talking about like or hate, just rate the following managers.
Moyes, Laudrup, AVB, Pardew, Clarke, Jol, Redknapp
Jury is still out on the following but I am positive about them
Adkins, Rodgers, Hughton, Martinez, McDermott, Lambert.
And you have to hand in to Sam and Pulis for being effective for whatever they does.
lagos wrote:Wenger? don't even think he makes the top ten!
1Alex Ferguson_Manchester United-Everything including c*ntishness
2David Moyes_Everton-tactics, motivation, current results
3Arsène Wenger_Arsenal-past achievements, own manager bias
4Michael Laudrup_Swansea City-tactics, style
5Rafael Benítez_Chelsea-tactics, current results
6André Villas-Boas_Tottenham Hotspur-tactics, current results
7Brendan Rodgers_Liverpool-style
8Steve Clarke_West Bromwich Albion-current results
9Roberto Mancini_Manchester City-last year's achievement
10Tony Pulis_Stoke City-pragmatism
11Martin O'Neill_Sunderland-motivation
12Chris Hughton_Norwich City-current league position
13Martin Jol_Fulham-current league position
14Sam Allardyce_West Ham United-pragmatism
15Alan Pardew_Newcastle United-current league position
16Paul Lambert_Aston Villa-current league position
17Nigel Adkins_Southampton-current league position
18Roberto Martínez_Wigan Athletic-style/current league position
19Brian McDermott_Reading-current league position
20Harry Redknapp_Queens Park Rangers-bottom of the league!
How can you seriously rate Moyes and Laudrup above Wenger and Benitez and latterly Mancini? What is this madness?
At the moment he's better than Wenger. He's got a lot less resources and he's doing well with them. Laudrup is a good manager but he's cool so people tend to overrate him. He's not really doing any better than Rodgers did yet. But I like him.
General Mirth wrote:Ferguson is the best manager in the leaugue.
Followed by Wenger and Moyes. Keep an eye out on Avb, Hughton and Laudrup.
Mark Hughes is the worst.
Mark Hughes isn't managing at the moment.
Moyes isn't better than Wenger in any way, shape or form.
Put it this way, if both left their roles this summer, Moyes would be lucky to get the Arsenal job and certainly wouldn't be at the top of the list. Wenger would be more or less no.1 choice for Madrid, City, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and pretty much every other big club in the world.
Meatwad wrote:i rate and hate fungus the red nose. i definitely rate moyes. i rate avb, hughton, martinez and i really rate what laudrup has done so far, on and off the pitch.
Would you have any of those guys not named Ferguson as Arsenal Manager?
I think Moyes is one of the most overrated managers in the league, alongside Martin O Neil. Big Sam is unfortunately one of the most underrated.
Martinez has potential but needs to move to a bigger club. Chris Houghton is not a Premier League manager, doesnt have it in him, Norwich are one of contenders to go down.
Martin Jol is a poor mans Claudio Raineri. Will build you a good team but doesnt know how to win trophies.
One to look out for is Paolo Di Canio.
Captain wrote:Put it this way, if both left their roles this summer, Moyes would be lucky to get the Arsenal job and certainly wouldn't be at the top of the list. Wenger would be more or less no.1 choice for Madrid, City, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and pretty much every other big club in the world.
...on past reputation with a lot of resources compared to what Moyes has had in ten years. All the above teams you've mentioned have a lot of resources.
I don't want to make this into a bash Wenger thread. But definitely this season Everton are as good as us with arguably less talent throughout their squad.
Alfonso wrote:I think Moyes is one of the most overrated managers in the league, alongside Martin O Neil. Big Sam is unfortunately one of the most underrated.
Martinez has potential but needs to move to a bigger club. Chris Houghton is not a Premier League manager, doesnt have it in him, Norwich are one of contenders to go down.
Martin Jol is a poor mans Claudio Raineri. Will build you a good team but doesnt know how to win trophies.
One to look out for is Paolo Di Canio.
What has Big Sam done that Moyes hasn't?
Martinez is forever flirting with relegation. Tony Pulis doesn't do that but people think he's rubbish.
I see you like aggression in your managers. You're a big Mourinho fan so I see why you like Di Canio.
What i think is not important. Makes no difference in the real world.
Without the "home" bias factor, IMO, Wenger struggles to make the top 5 but didn't want to insult him by rating him any lower.
Tony Montana wrote:General Mirth wrote:Ferguson is the best manager in the leaugue.
Followed by Wenger and Moyes. Keep an eye out on Avb, Hughton and Laudrup.
Mark Hughes is the worst.
Mark Hughes isn't managing at the moment.
Who gives a shit? He was at a Premier league club a month ago - close enough.
Tony Montana wrote:Captain wrote:Put it this way, if both left their roles this summer, Moyes would be lucky to get the Arsenal job and certainly wouldn't be at the top of the list. Wenger would be more or less no.1 choice for Madrid, City, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and pretty much every other big club in the world.
...on past reputation with a lot of resources compared to what Moyes has had in ten years. All the above teams you've mentioned have a lot of resources.
I don't want to make this into a bash Wenger thread. But definitely this season Everton are as good as us with arguably less talent throughout their squad.
Objectively, Wenger is a better manager than Moyes. Only mental arsenal fans would argue any differently.
Of course it is on past reputation; what else would you base it on?
Captain wrote:Tony Montana wrote:...on past reputation with a lot of resources compared to what Moyes has had in ten years. All the above teams you've mentioned have a lot of resources.
I don't want to make this into a bash Wenger thread. But definitely this season Everton are as good as us with arguably less talent throughout their squad.
Objectively, Wenger is a better manager than Moyes. Only mental arsenal fans would argue any differently.
Of course it is on past reputation; what else would you base it on?
I believe Wenger is past it. His reputation precedes him is my point.
When I say past reputation I mean 1996-2005. His recent history has been poor. That's why I said at the moment Moyes is better than Wenger.
Moyes has been more impressive in the same period of 2005 to 2012 with what he's been given. Certainly in the league.
I would absolutely love to see how Wenger does in Madrid, City, Munich etc.
That's absolute bullshit, but I'm not interested in going in circles. Moyes is a good manager but not in the same league as Wenger; everyone in football would agree and that's all the validation that I need.
I think Hughton is decent enough Alfonso. Led Norwich to a historic unbeaten run, did well previously too.
Tony Montana wrote:Alfonso wrote:I think Moyes is one of the most overrated managers in the league, alongside Martin O Neil. Big Sam is unfortunately one of the most underrated.
Martinez has potential but needs to move to a bigger club. Chris Houghton is not a Premier League manager, doesnt have it in him, Norwich are one of contenders to go down.
Martin Jol is a poor mans Claudio Raineri. Will build you a good team but doesnt know how to win trophies.
One to look out for is Paolo Di Canio.
What has Big Sam done that Moyes hasn't?
Martinez is forever flirting with relegation. Tony Pulis doesn't do that but people think he's rubbish.
I see you like aggression in your managers. You're a big Mourinho fan so I see why you like Di Canio.
For starters, what Big Sam did with Bolton was nothing short of amazing especially considering where they are now. And Bolton is a much smaller club with fewer resources than Everton.
Also, what he has achieved with West Ham has been very impressive. The Hammers were effectively on their knees before he took over following relegation. Dont think they could have got a better manager for what they are worth.
Martinez has been flirting with relegation but Wigan are prob the smallest team in the league, the fact that he has NOT got them relegated is an achievement.
Yes, I am old skool like that. But its also a lot to do with leadership. If your a top Premier League manager you need to be an alpha male.
Clrnc wrote:I think Hughton is decent enough Alfonso. Led Norwich to a historic unbeaten run, did well previously too.
Historic unbeaten run of what 5 games? Come on man.
He is a good coach but I think he will get found out this season. No one at Spurs would have thought he was 'manager material' and I still somewhat agree. Norwich are one of my favorites to go down.
Alfonso wrote:Yes, I am old skool like that. But its also a lot to do with leadership. If your a top Premier League manager you need to be an alpha male.
Alfonso wrote:Clrnc wrote:I think Hughton is decent enough Alfonso. Led Norwich to a historic unbeaten run, did well previously too.
Historic unbeaten run of what 5 games? Come on man.
He is a good coach but I think he will get found out this season. No one at Spurs would have thought he was 'manager material' and I still somewhat agree. Norwich are one of my favorites to go down.
Alfonso wrote:Clrnc wrote:I think Hughton is decent enough Alfonso. Led Norwich to a historic unbeaten run, did well previously too.
Historic unbeaten run of what 5 games? Come on man.
He is a good coach but I think he will get found out this season. No one at Spurs would have thought he was 'manager material' and I still somewhat agree. Norwich are one of my favorites to go down.
He did well at Newcastle before getting sacked for no real reason other than Mike Ashley was pals with Pardew.
Norwich won't go down. They are doing better than Wigan who are with Martinez at the helm.
Moyes a better manager than Wenger?
This is the man who's won nothing with Everton in a ten year span where Middlesborough, Portsmouth, Spurs, Blackburn and Birmingham have all won a domestic trophy.
Uses his resources well but a tad over rated.
If we're going solely on domestic achievements then I would rank them
Top 5
Ferguson
Wenger
Benitez
Mancini
Moyes
Bottom 5
Pardew
Lambert
Mcdermott
Martin O Neill
B Rodgers
Alfonso wrote:Tony Montana wrote:What has Big Sam done that Moyes hasn't?
Martinez is forever flirting with relegation. Tony Pulis doesn't do that but people think he's rubbish.
I see you like aggression in your managers. You're a big Mourinho fan so I see why you like Di Canio.
Martinez has been flirting with relegation but Wigan are prob the smallest team in the league, the fact that he has NOT got them relegated is an achievement.
Wigan have more money than you think and have been well run since way before Martinez came to the management job. Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell have kept Wigan up and even finished top half of the table.
Blackburn are a small club in the same area as well and have been in the league for 18 of the 21 seasons that the Premier League has existed.
Alfonso wrote:Tony Montana wrote:What has Big Sam done that Moyes hasn't?
Martinez is forever flirting with relegation. Tony Pulis doesn't do that but people think he's rubbish.
I see you like aggression in your managers. You're a big Mourinho fan so I see why you like Di Canio.
For starters, what Big Sam did with Bolton was nothing short of amazing especially considering where they are now. And Bolton is a much smaller club with fewer resources than Everton.
Also, what he has achieved with West Ham has been very impressive. The Hammers were effectively on their knees before he took over following relegation. Dont think they could have got a better manager for what they are worth.
Martinez has been flirting with relegation but Wigan are prob the smallest team in the league, the fact that he has NOT got them relegated is an achievement.
Yes, I am old skool like that. But its also a lot to do with leadership. If your a top Premier League manager you need to be an alpha male.
Big Sam is suited to a particular type of club, he wasn't the alpha male while at Newcastle where expectations were a little higher.
Good manager in the right circumstances, and if my club was in danger of relegation he'd be top of my list to settle things.
lagos wrote:lagos wrote:Wenger? don't even think he makes the top ten!
after going through the list I guess he makes top ten, not top 5 for me though! in no particular order i'd take Allardyce,
Fungus, Moyes, Pulis, Clarke, laudrup over Wenger today! at least half of those can get more out of our team for sure and the others at the least can't do any worse
Martin O'Neill? Surely!
Allardyce is bobbins.
No way i'd have Pulis although I accept he's done well at Stoke.
Painful but not surprising to see how highly rated Ferguson is. Really does set the standard with an ability to motivate players and manage a large squad.
Moyes has demonstrated an ability to adjust his match day squad/tactics far more than Wenger. But in Wenger you get long term vision/stability that even Everton would be jealous of.
I don't rate Wenger's match day adaptions but to his credit he knows his teams and how to get a Top 4 finish + CL Group stage out of them. Something that few other managers in the league have done consistently.
lagos wrote:lagos wrote:Wenger? don't even think he makes the top ten!
after going through the list I guess he makes top ten, not top 5 for me though! in no particular order i'd take Allardyce,
Fungus, Moyes, Pulis, Clarke, laudrup over Wenger today! at least half of those can get more out of our team for sure and the others at the least can't do any worse
lagos wrote:Captain wrote:Allardyce is bobbins.
Big Sam is one of the best managers out there!
I was worried for a while.
Now I just know you're on a windup.
Wasn't he saying that he could win the CL with Madrid if he only got the chance?
