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Lets all laugh at Man Utd.

Mirth

Given the duration of our deal, it doesn't look to bad if we renew favorably within the next 5 years. Can't see us catching up with United though.

Mirth

Between Chevrolet shirt contract and Adidas kit deal Man United will get almost £130 million/ season. More than annual gate revenue.

Fuck my life.

Khanuppet

Really wish they stuck with moyes longer.

Rohit

Our deal with Puma is a great deal. It matched/ bettered kitting deals other top clubs had despite having not won a thing for 9 seasons. Arsenal's position globally is very strong. The residual effect of Wenger's successful years and manner of them was high.

Chelsea is stuck for 10 years making what we are on for 5. If we are successful now we will be able to command a great deal at the end of 5 years.

ludovicvanzis

Wow so that Chelsea 10 year deal was struck recently? That's cray cray.

So what does this mean for United? Is their debt still massive? Will they be able to come into the market next summer and blow everyone out of the water?

Rohit

Yeah, Chelsea announced this deal last year I remember. Think of all that Chelsea has won in the last 10 years compared to Arsenal. Ours is a fantastic deal. We have to be successful on the pitch on a regular basis from here on though to build on it.

With Wenger around and some top players coming in, I am also sure, success, if any, will come in style.

Ray

That is an insane deal, Adidas must have hardcore United fans within.

Clrnc

When is Madrid and Barca's deals expiring anyone knows?

From what I read of a good few twitter users, United's deal include giving up all their rights and letting Adidas have control of everything (online, shops, image etc) while we manage all of those ourselves. So in other words we will make profits from everything else but United is letting Adidas make it.

It would still not be up to 70m all things considered, but that's a difference in the deals.

Burnwinter

Does that mean the deal includes all merchandise revenue going to Adidas Clarence? That'd go some way to explaining how huge it is.

Kel Varnsen

I think Real Madrid's deal expires in 2020. Which really makes our deal pretty damn good tbh. It's just that Man U's deal is beyond insane.

We need to win a few big trophies in the next five years, then we could really increase our revenue. We have a great basis for expanding. Great brand name, in London, play good football etc.

Cannon

UTD have handed over Adidas EVERYTHING. They get 70 mill period. However Arsenal-Puma deal gives Arsenal control of club shop, overseas, and a few other things. I can only conclude that we make a few extra mill from that. Plus it is a 5 year deal only. Not bad at all IMO.

In a way United have kinda secured their immediate future. Even if they do badly for the next few years, they still get a LOT of money.

Clrnc

Burnwinter™ wrote:
Does that mean the deal includes all merchandise revenue going to Adidas Clarence? That'd go some way to explaining how huge it is.

Yes.

70m (at least) guaranteed per year irregardless of how they perform is a hell lot of money and a mega deal. That does not include performance bonus yet, which will add even more if they win major titles.

However, we would have alot more freedom in doing the things we want and how we market our stuffs, how much profit margin to alter by market trends. Only cons is that its not guaranteed, and if our performance dip, merchandise won't sell well.

Rex

I don't care what anybody says, but 'irregardless' is an abomination and is not a proper word! :mad:

kamikaze

Like I said when our Puma and Emirates deals were announced, Gazidis is too reactive when it comes to commercial revenue. He doesn't understand how much these things are really worth. We constantly see United push the envelope on these commercial deals, while are we are content with yesterday's valuations. Look at their commercial revenues compared to ours, and you realize it's a factor in why they are so successful and we are not.

We will also see that stadium naming rights are worth much, much more than the deals currently in place. You only need to look as far as the US to see that. The same big corporations do business there and the same laws of economics apply. This is not rocket science.

Gazidis and his team are barely doing the minimum. They deserve zero praise. If you want to praise anyone, send it to United's team - it doesn't make me feel good to say it; that's just the reality.

Clrnc

I don't agree. United as a brand is huge in the world, their fanbase is almost twice of ours and they have unparalleled success throughout the last 2 decades. Unless we manage that kind of success on the pitch, our brand will never be worth that much. To get 30m per season for us is quite an excellent deal.

I would say we could have done better with creative commercial revenues (selling stadium rights individually to another company, selling training kit sponsor seperately) etc though.

Meatwad

Cannon wrote:
UTD have handed over Adidas EVERYTHING. They get 70 mill period. However Arsenal-Puma deal gives Arsenal control of club shop, overseas, and a few other things. I can only conclude that we make a few extra mill from that. Plus it is a 5 year deal only. Not bad at all IMO.

In a way United have kinda secured their immediate future. Even if they do badly for the next few years, they still get a LOT of money.

more than just a few extra mil. arsenal always broke it down in the accounts with commercial being one category and Retail and licensing being another category. retail and licensing produces 18m a year for arsenal. and that's with poor performance over the past 9 years. wouldn't be shocked if that number goes up with our german influence and china football supporters loving all things german AND finally competing at the big boy table and winning shit.

Rohit

Our commercial team has done very well in my opinion. Harsh to pit them against United considering we failed to build on our on field success in the early noughties. Success on the field breeds success off it. United wouldn't have been signing these deals had they not won 13 League titles in the Premier League era along with two Champions Leagues and various domestic Cups. Their commercial deal has leveraged their global position well but doesn't have a very difficult task really.

We have a great kitting deal. We signed it for 5 years and Chelsea got the same value for 10 years.

Meatwad

just learned that manyoo aren't the only ones selling their training sponsorships separately. liverpool has one with Gardua that was signed this past spring for about 16m a year.

emirates is getting a steal of a deal. 35m for stadium, matchday and training shirt sponsorship. should easily be 50m for all 3 of those considered manyoo gets 73m a year just for their matchday and training shirts (and training ground) sponsorships with Chevy and AON.

the puma one is good, that emirates one always bothered me.

Bosscielny

When does the deal with Emirates run out?

Claudius

In Gazidis defense, he probably did the best he could on the Emirates deal. Remember, it was a renegotiation of an ongoing deal that our desperate old men had structured to help us raise the stadium loan. We were getting close to no actual revenue by the time Gazidis did the renegotiation because our deal had been heavily front-loaded.

Compared to other clubs, our deals are good. Our problem is the old men and Wenger destroyed our marketability 10 years ago with their youth strategy that yielded no fruit and their sponsorships to fund the stadium. We are paying for that now

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