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Internationals 14/11/12

Klaus

It's always difficult to compare players who aren't playing on the same position, but off the top of my head - Ibrahimovic, Pirlo, Iniesta, Özil... Alonso arguably on the basis of last season. I have this suspicion that Neymar is better too but I only ever catch glimpses of him. Ronaldo belongs in the tier right beneath Messi along with these guys. There's a third tier with the likes of Rooney, Agüero, Cavani, Falcao, Tevez and van Persie after that.

lorddulaarsenal

Ronaldo is without doubt the second best player in the world for me. He's a running goal scoring machine

Claudius

Olly Girude wrote:
Ronaldo is without doubt the second best player in the world for me. He's a running goal scoring machine

This. Ronaldo is soooo much better than the next best player

Burnwinter

Ronaldo's ridiculously productive, and mentally there's not many fiercer.

I'd take him over Ibra on mentality alone. He's a psychologically damaged nutjob who exists to win.

Klaus

Burnwinter wrote:
Ronaldo's ridiculously productive, and mentally there's not many fiercer.

Burnwinter

'Fiercer' may be the wrong word, but the image (hilarious though it may be, looks like his jaw is melting off in anguish 🙂 ) makes my case for me.

That's one of the world's greatest footballers crying publicly because he didn't win. Not resigned, not lazily blaming his team mates (perhaps angrily, but not lazily), not looking to the next club, beach holiday, or cup comp, not drifting out of the game absent-mindedly. Torn because he lost. It's an attribute worth having.

Klaus

He's crying because he's a fucking crybaby. 😆

Ronaldo is superbly gifted and physically superior to almost anyone he's up against. He's a walking one-man show. That's what makes him great. His personality is only slightly less pathetic than his sense of entitlement though. He's acting like a spoilt child when things don't go his way. Nothing admirable or noteworthy about it. And it's certainly not a sign of mental strength.

Burnwinter

Have to say I disagree, but it doesn't really matter - it's just subjective. Admiring Ronaldo's nuttiness, drive, and match-winning (and title-winning) ability hardly makes me an outlier. He's a dick, for sure 🙂

Claudius

He's crying because he hates losing.
Listen to his recent interview with Pedro Pinto. He explains his temperament on the field is all due to his deep dislike of losing. I'm just impressed by not only how good he is but how much he has improved most seasons that he has played, adding different facets to his game. I wish our players would like to him for an example

Rex

I could never imagine Ronaldo being affected by poor performances. He is dead confident in his ability no matter what, and just keeps on doing his thing. Same with Zlatan. RVP doesn't have that for instance. You can see he changes his game when he gets insecure.

y va marquer

Indeed.
We nearly signed him too 🙂

Rex

Zlatan too is a physical monster. He is also one of the few remaining players that are still madly exciting to watch.

y va marquer

His goal the other night was the stuff of legend.

Claudius

What are you talking about, Rex? RvP is a killer. And he's going to win the league for United. I guess we should be happy for him. All we want is to see our favorite players entertain and lift trophies.

Rex

RVP has been in hysterical form, and fit, for a long time now. He alters his game though when he is low on confidence. A Ronaldo or a Zlatan, they just keep on doing their thing.

est

Can't say I've ever noticed that about van Persie.

One thing that sets Ibra and Ronaldo apart from the Dutchman is that they have both got enormous egos. They have to be the biggest star of the team and the center of attention all the time.

Ibrahimovic's athleticism is unreal though. He's the Yaya Toure of strikers. Can't think of many players stronger than him. And he's got the silky skills as well. It's a shame he never got to the PL.

Klaus

Claudius wrote:
He's crying because he hates losing.

It's not a sign of mental strength no matter how you spin it, which was the point. I'm not the one who brought it up as an argument.

Burnwinter

Klaus wrote:
Claudius wrote:
He's crying because he hates losing.

It's not a sign of mental strength no matter how you spin it, which was the point. I'm not the one who brought it up as an argument.

Well, you used the term 'mental strength' — I called him a 'psychologically damaged nutjob who exists to win' (as pictured) and ill-advisedly used the word 'fiercer' …

Klaus

Fine. Crying like a cock because you get knocked out of the Euros/ Champions League/ don't get to score a good goal is not a sign of mental fierceness. A picture of him crying doesn't 'prove' your case. 😆 We done with the hairsplitting now?

Captain

Ronaldo is mentally strong though.

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