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y va marquer

Bergkamp and Zidane were the two that I loved most.

Rex

Ibrahimovic for me these days.

Ray

y va marquer wrote:
Bergkamp and Zidane were the two that I loved most.

Definitely those two. Kaka at AC milan as well was great to watch.

Tony Montana

y va marquer wrote:
Bergkamp and Zidane were the two that I loved most.

The upper class of football.

Very European. A lot of finesse and class. Great to watch. You could never imagine English players playing like that.

Obviously I love Bergkamp because he was a gooner.

In South America you get more of the street vibe of football. The love of the ball. It's like it hasn't been taught but it's more God given; players such as Ronaldhino, Maradona, Pele, Messi, Ronaldo O Phenomeno. Then you get the street roughness from top players like Tevez and Aguero.

Of course in reality it doesn't really work like that because Messi never really grew up a street footballer and spent time in La Masia from 13 years old. Cristiano Ronaldo is from Portugal, not South America. Kaka is very much like Zidane but was a middle class lad from Brazil. I guess his culture is more European.

As much as we knew Outlaw Member wanted attention, he had a point about Zidane. Controversial a bit but hey.

lorddulaarsenal

I forgot del piero. Sublime player in his plomp

Rex

Player of all time who has given me the most joy is easily Maradona. Most of you kids are too young to remember him, but he was a cracking player! 🙂

Klaus

Klaus wrote:
Ronaldinho and Henry are the most entertaining players I've ever seen.

To complete the top three: Rivaldo.

Tony Montana

Klaus wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Ronaldinho and Henry are the most entertaining players I've ever seen.

To complete the top three: Rivaldo.

Who incidentally Outlaw Member rated as better than Zidane.

Lukazan

Klaus wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Ronaldinho and Henry are the most entertaining players I've ever seen.

To complete the top three: Rivaldo.

That's who I'd have said.

I also agree with Henry. During 03-05 you expected (and often got) something to happen every time he got on the ball.

Tony Montana wrote:
Klaus wrote:
To complete the top three: Rivaldo.

Who incidentally Outlaw Member rated as better than Zidane.

I'd go with that too I reckon.

C.Ronaldo was entertaining during his first two seasons at United but he obviously had a lot of the 'showy' stuff drilled out of him. He also matured physically and packed on a lot of muscle which changed his style a lot.

I personally find Messi very entertaining but I can see why some people don't and even go as far to call him boring. But that about sums it all up when it comes to Messi I feel - he's just too good at the game and makes it look easy. It's a bit of a joke at times.

Klaus

Tony Montana wrote:
Klaus wrote:
To complete the top three: Rivaldo.

Who incidentally Outlaw Member rated as better than Zidane.

I think I agree with him to be honest. Zidane is perhaps one of the best four or five individual talents to ever emerge but he was rarely that great as a player for various reasons. No one touched him on an individual level. Plenty of people meant more to their teams and had a lot more actual output on the field however. I wasn't lucky enough to watch his whole career but Laudrup strikes me as a better player than Zidane too. Technically second to none and in possession of the best final pass I've ever seen.

Bold Tone

Tony Montana wrote:
As much as we knew Outlaw Member wanted attention, he had a point about Zidane. Controversial a bit but hey.

I don't think so as i agree with him about CRonaldo. Even though i recognise his effectiveness, when i watch RM, i find myself enjoying the skill cameos of Ozil and di Maria more

Kel Varnsen

rivaldo was ridiculously overrated. comparing him to zidane? fucking lol. get your head checked.

stoichkov was amazing in 94. zidane is the best player in the last 20 years. ronaldo has improved tremendously in recent years.

Clrnc

Any of the 3 teams but fucking Mourinho/Real Madrid/C Ronaldo to win it please. Hate these arrogant cunts. Hopefully a Dortmund vs Barca final, would be a dream to watch. Think Dortmund have enough to beat real, they already dominated them twice this season. But if anything Mourinho is the sort of coach to exactly learn from past meetings and improve as you go along. See how he fare so well against Barca recently. If Klopp gets to the final he would have more than proven himself to the little doubters left.

I think Messi is very entertaining, but he is seriously too good and skillful enough so he doesn't need fanciful tricks and he scores too many. That made him overly good and out of the universe, and people get bored easily about how good he and Barca is. If you watch his compilations there is no way you can say he isn't entertaining.

CRonaldo is all about showboating and power. His skills and stepovers is for nothing except showboat most of the times, unlikely Ronaldinho who actually used his fanciful skills to perfection.

I actually think Suarez is entertaining also.

lorddulaarsenal

Gazza was also hugely entertaining

Rex

I thought we were only talking about what players did on the pitch?

Biggus

Klaus wrote:
I wasn't lucky enough to watch his whole career but Laudrup strikes me as a better player than Zidane too. Technically second to none and in possession of the best final pass I've ever seen.

There you go again over rating technique again, Zidanes technique was excellent anyway but he also had great aggression and power, I'd rate him along with Maradona.

Rex

The one thing you can criticize Zidane for is that he often lacked end product. He was a glorious player to watch no doubt, but there is no getting around this - for all his wonderful attributes he quite often failed to help his team by either scoring or assisting.

I'm not going as far as Klaus in saying that Laudrup was a better player than Zidane, but he was no doubt better than Zidane with his final ball which in a direct way influenced the outcome of a game.

y va marquer

It wasn't any coincidence that France without Zidane failed to win a single game in WC 02 whereas France with Zidane won WC 98 (where he scored twice in the final!) and got to the final in WC 06.
To say he wasn't effective in a very concrete influential way is something I don't understand.
He was a magnificent player

Rex

He was. I think you get a better idea of a player if you look beyond 'just' international games. He no doubt was more effective playing for France than for his clubs.

Klaus

Biggus wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I wasn't lucky enough to watch his whole career but Laudrup strikes me as a better player than Zidane too. Technically second to none and in possession of the best final pass I've ever seen.

There you go again over rating technique again, Zidanes technique was excellent anyway but he also had great aggression and power, I'd rate him along with Maradona.

Where did I overrate technique?

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