Thread should be titled "you can stay at home Cesc"

Yeah, good one IBL.
Because for all his lies and protestations of love for the club he's where he wants to be now.

timBO! wrote:

And like I said, it's all petty nonsense. He made us play passing football, he's greasy, he didn't win us a trophy single handedly etc.

You just have an irrational hatred of the bloke, which is fine. I think maybe you just dont like his face.

Wrong.
I hated him because of how he behaved, he was still our captain, and yet he openly cavorted with players from a club actively tapping him up, refusing to play for us and all the time acting like nothing was happening.
At least Van Persie had the guts to release a statement decrying our lack of ambition, and I could have forgiven him but for who he went to.

Both of them are fucking scum and I don't want them playing for my team again.

otfgoon wrote:

Lagos wrote:

We are such a sorry bunch of losers!

It is a bit like seeing your gf leave you for a better looking, richer man. Him loosing interest in her after a few weeks at which point you decide you want her back.

Need a bit more self respect.

Indeed, cringe worthy.
But I wouldn't worry too much about it Otf- Because we're not the ones crawling up his arse.

Tam wrote:

Biggus, for someone who has said countless times that trophies are pretty much the be all and end all, I'm surprised you don't respect Fabregas, even grudgingly, for moving on to increase his chances of winning honours. His wish to move on, Van Persie too, would obviously indicate they share some of the same opinions on club matters as yourself.

Yeah I want trophies- For Arsenal.
What have Van Persie and Fabregas ever done for us?

Xtraordinary wrote:

Regardless of whether you like him or not his quality is undeniable. I can't understand why people would turn down the opportunity to better the squad. Gary Neville had it right when he said 'the football club is the most important thing, players are just grains of sand at the beach'. We need to remove that emotional attachment to players and focus on the bigger picture. If Cesc was to become available we should jump at the chance to bring him back.

Because successful teams are more that just good technical players, haven't you learned that from the past 8 years?
Yes you need technical excellence but you also need mental and physical toughness as well as experience.

We don't need Fabregas, in fact we finished higher last season without him.

I take your point but i also think that, as well as technical excellence, Fabregas had mental and physical toughness. Problem was he had no motivation in his last year here as Wenger made a mistake by promising him the move to the Barcunts. Also, we had Arteta, Gerv and the Youn in place of wastrels like Denilson and Eboue, who Fab had to play with in previous seasons, and they more than him contributed to the trophy drought.

Yes Mussey, I'm well aware he's a winner- Just not for us though.
Theres not much point having the greatest player in the world under contract if he doesn't want to play- We all know that!

Fabregas didn't want to play for Arsenal and thats the deepest flaw I can imagine in one of our players.

You are disillusioned with Wenger and the direction of the club, and yet you blame Fabregas for wanting more? Hmm.
IF he were to come back - then he'd be well motivated to play for us.

Too right Biggsy and that's that's the biggest kick in the bollocks you can give a fan. That's why despite loving the guy when he was here, i am not particularly sorry about the position he finds himself in now. I am not as hardcore as you though as i would take him back in a heartbeat though the trust/love is gone. Fab and Caz would be too much!

Theoretically though, if he does come back, who sits out? Not Cazorla surely, he's the focal point of our attack now, and Fabregas for all his talent doesn't have the nippyness and quick movement of the non Barca DNA having Spaniard. Not Arteta, he's the lynchpin of the midfield. If Diaby can find some consistency and produce Anfield level performances every game (unlikely, but then so is the possibility of Cesc's return), then, he would be considered undroppable as well. And Jack's on his way back.

So what gives?

we had some pretty sparkly grains of sand at this club

I can't really see Fabregas leaving Barcelona any time soon, but then again, I couldn't really imagine RvP joining Man U either, so who knows. To answer the question, yes, I want him back, but what's interesting here though, is that If he does decide to leave them, it would be excellent news for us, even if he doesn't come back to us. That is of course, if the 50 per cent sell-on clause that several papers claimed we managed to make a part of the deal, actually exists.

Scenario A: We get Fabregas for a lot less than what he's worth, seeing how other clubs would have to double our offer in order for it to make any sense to Barca to sell to them, rather than us.

Scenario B: We don't want Fabregas back, but we'd still end up getting 50% of what Fabregas would sell for on the open market, which would be a lot.

flobaba wrote:

Theoretically though, if he does come back, who sits out? Not Cazorla surely, he's the focal point of our attack now, and Fabregas for all his talent doesn't have the nippyness and quick movement of the non Barca DNA having Spaniard. Not Arteta, he's the lynchpin of the midfield. If Diaby can find some consistency and produce Anfield level performances every game (unlikely, but then so is the possibility of Cesc's return), then, he would be considered undroppable as well. And Jack's on his way back.

So what gives?

Wouldn't you love that to be one of our problems rather than ...

99% chance he will stay at Barca.
They see him as Xavi's successor.

Thing is Alcantara may end up being that guy as Fabregas has been playing much further up the field. They also have the option of moving Iniesta into that role.

Some people are confused.
They need to decide if they're a fan of a certain player, or if they're a fan of Arsene Wenger, or if they're a fan of Kroenke Sports Enterprises, or if they're a fan of Arsenal FC, because they're not the same thing.

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:

flobaba wrote:

Theoretically though, if he does come back, who sits out? Not Cazorla surely, he's the focal point of our attack now, and Fabregas for all his talent doesn't have the nippyness and quick movement of the non Barca DNA having Spaniard. Not Arteta, he's the lynchpin of the midfield. If Diaby can find some consistency and produce Anfield level performances every game (unlikely, but then so is the possibility of Cesc's return), then, he would be considered undroppable as well. And Jack's on his way back.

So what gives?

Wouldn't you love that to be one of our problems rather than ...

Not the point.

You are disrupting the balance of a team barely beginning to find its feet, is what it is. We have the makings of an awesome squad now, with Wilshere coming back from injury. A squad in which everyone takes equal responsibility in regards to both attacking and defending. A squad which will not pout and sit out games when we need him the most, a squad of players that will die before fucking handing fucking Iniesta a fucking through pass to put the tie back in fucking Barcas fucking favor in a Crucial Champions League game, and then commence to give the absolutely hands down worst performance of an Arsenal Captain since Mikael Silvestre, after rushing himself back from injury for the selfish purpose of facing his dream club, and then after throwing away the game, went back to being 'injured' till he got his wish to fuck off to this club instead of staying here where fans absolutely adored and appreciated him?

Nah men. You lot need to grow a pair. Yall got No pride. Fuck him.

Not to mention everyone having to adapt again to suit the little bollocks.
It's like some sort of mass repressed memory syndrome.....I mean has everyone forgotten how it was 2006-2011?
Wtf......

flobaba wrote:

Theoretically though, if he does come back, who sits out? Not Cazorla surely, he's the focal point of our attack now, and Fabregas for all his talent doesn't have the nippyness and quick movement of the non Barca DNA having Spaniard. Not Arteta, he's the lynchpin of the midfield. If Diaby can find some consistency and produce Anfield level performances every game (unlikely, but then so is the possibility of Cesc's return), then, he would be considered undroppable as well. And Jack's on his way back.

So what gives?

And Jack, too (possibly/probably preferred to Diaby?)

As I said earlier - if he wants to come here it's great. More depth. Santi's back up. Better than Rosicky...

You know what, I can't even stress over this though. That's one thing I give Arsene respect for. He never lets these cowardly greasy little lizards slither their way back in.

Doesn't work like that Yuvy, a football team is not like a machine where footballers are replacement parts which can be interchanged and upgraded, they are real people and players as influential as Fabregas will by necessity upset the balance.
And as I've said- that failed before why go back?

When he made his intentions clear that he was leaving I was glad as it was clear he had failed here, and despite me being accused (falsely) of undue pessimism I do think we were better last season than any previous one since one 2006, and I look forward to us being even better this one.

Biggus wrote:

Some people are confused.
They need to decide if they're a fan of a certain player, or if they're a fan of Arsene Wenger, or if they're a fan of Kroenke Sports Enterprises, or if they're a fan of Arsenal FC, because they're not the same thing.

Its getting to the stage where I'm looking forward to the end of bullshit like this when we win something more than I am celebrating the actual trophy. What kind of fan does that make me?

Stan Kroenke Waaaaooohhh
Stan Kroenke Waaaooooohh
He has a big mustache
Wont give us any cash

KSE sale! Every summer!! Cheap stars!!!

qs! wrote:

Stan Kroenke Waaaaooohhh
Stan Kroenke Waaaooooohh
He has a bad mustache
Wont give us any cash

Fixed.

flobaba wrote:

You know what, I can't even stress over this though. That's one thing I give Arsene respect for. He never lets these cowardly greasy little lizards slither their way back in.

I have to agree Flobs, this is just a run out for the Cesc fan boys.
Wengie has a very ruthless streak for those who jerk him around.

Time to trample on some dreams :angel:

Current I am very calm. I knew that moments like this would come," he said.
"I warned my family and my friends that this was coming. Right now, with the pressure on, is where you prove things."

Initially, Fabregas's comments sparked speculation he would return to Arsenal since the Gunners have the first option to bring him back, but the midfielder squashed those reports.

"I want to retire at the Camp Nou. Every effort I made," he said. "I did not come back here for a year or two but for a long football career here."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/381408/20120906/barcelona-arsenal-fabregas.htm

He's like a drunk girl who's gone to the club with her boyfriend, but has ended up shagging the bouncer in the toilets, and is now waiting outside the all night Greggs in the rain trying to get a sausage roll at 3 in the morning. Ya get me?!

Not sure I want him back.

But I am strongly against the option of barca loaning him to us, which is what they probably have in mind. We need to have some pride, we are not their feeder club (anymore).

He will significantly improve our team though, with him back, and 1 year less of bendtner, denilson contracts, wenger has completely changed this club around, for the better or worse.

Are you being serious _0?
How did you deduce all of that?

They have subbed him off in every game in La Liga so far. Of course they want to loan him out.
Obvious really.

y va marquer wrote:

Are you being serious _0?
How did you deduce all of that?

Deduce which part?
the loan part? that sounds to me like what barca would find ideal for them, rather than admit they got screwed in a deal with us.

Besides, it wasn't a deduction, i merely stated I wouldn't want him back on just a loan.

You were being serious then

Bumper Rex wrote:

They have subbed him off in every game in La Liga so far. Of course they want to loan him out.
Obvious really.

Haha, jokes on you cos its not obvious at all. Crazy Swede. Lol!

Biggus wrote:

Doesn't work like that Yuvy, a football team is not like a machine where footballers are replacement parts which can be interchanged and upgraded, they are real people and players as influential as Fabregas will by necessity upset the balance.

I wasn't seriously thinking he'll take our bench for Barca's...
but even in humor I meant it in accordance to what you say about balance: yes, but only as Santi's back up (that settles the hierarchy issue).
It is ridiculous to even ponder all this, though. I wonder how many people really do think this was for real.

And, incidentally, I don't even think it's true that had all this really happened we'd have been title contenders. This part was not in humor at all: all cesc would give us now (when Santi's here) is depth. I wouldn't want a Santi-cesc-Arteta mid more than, e.g. Jack for cesc there. Very different case to VP - if we had him with the current squad, title talk wouldn't be nonsense.

y va marquer wrote:

Time to trample on some dreams :angel:

We'll make a Biggette out of you yet.

timBO! wrote:

He's like a drunk girl who's gone to the club with her boyfriend, but has ended up shagging the bouncer in the toilets, and is now waiting outside the all night Greggs in the rain trying to get a sausage roll at 3 in the morning. Ya get me?!