timBO! wrote:

Dont think any of them are really 'ITK', but I do think a few people out there get little steers from a mate or contact within the club or world of football. I also dont think journalists for the main papers make things up. Their stories are always pretty well sourced, just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it's a fabrication.

So when they start a story with Daily Mail sources then it's not made up?

Everyone lies tim, journalists have to sell papers so they make up nonsense stories.

Look at how much of them said Sahin to Arsenal was meant to be completed ages ago and now it's Sahin to Liverpool.

Making up stories is their job and they are quite good at it.

timBO! wrote:

Dont think any of them are really 'ITK', but I do think a few people out there get little steers from a mate or contact within the club or world of football. I also dont think journalists for the main papers make things up. Their stories are always pretty well sourced, just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it's a fabrication.

I agree. Deals are very complicated. A lot of pieces have to fall into place. Just because a club is actively persuing a player or reach an agreement with the parent club doesn't mean it's going to happen. You have to get three parties to agree and even then anything can happen until it's officially signed.

Making up stories isn't their job. They lose their jobs for doing stuff like that. They might get lied to by a source, they might get mislead by an agent etc, but they dont outright lie.

Anyway, twitter muppetry suggesting that Sahin wants to come to Arsenal but Mourinho is insisting he goes to Liverpool. Probably nonsense.

They do out right lie, or at best you could call it guessing. Have you never read one of those studies into the accuracy of transfer reporting? The accuracy rate is ridiculously low.

Look through the transfer page here for the summer and tell me we were genuinely interested in signing more than a few of those players.

Look at the Mvila story

Every Tom, Dick and Harry had us bang on to sign him after the West Brom game.

Then it was before the Euros.

Then it was after the Euros....

After that you hear Wenger doesn't like his attitude, he's signed pricks before, just look at Van Persie, Nasri, Vieira etc.

Then you hear the real truth from the Rennes chairman which was no team has bid for Mvila this summer.

Reporters for the main English papers are beholden to certain journalistic standards, which means their stories have to be properly sourced. There's no debate about that I'm afraid. They'd be risking their livelihoods and reputations otherwise.

Now sources vary, some are good, some not so. And when it comes to transfer stories there's an awful lot going on every summer and everybody has an angle and everyone is pushing their own agenda, so a lot of stuff gets printed that doesn't come to pass. But they dont make things up.

Journalists for the main broadsheets and tabloids will report on rumour though, particularly in their on-line format.
They won't make any rash claims as fact, it's usually more a piece based on what could be going on.

As for ITK claim that "agreement has been reached" - brilliant, a win win - if the deal doesn't go ahead, it got complicated, not everything fell into place.
No proof needed that the agreement ever existed.

Well, AFCamden reckons Sahin wasn't signed because the RVP deal was delayed by a day. Others now saying we're trying hard to hijack the Liverpool deal.

Personally, I reckon he's the only person (non-journo) on Twatter with any kind of 'ITK' knowledge. So may yet be a chance.

timBO! wrote:

Reporters for the main English papers are beholden to certain journalistic standards, which means their stories have to be properly sourced. There's no debate about that I'm afraid. They'd be risking their livelihoods and reputations otherwise.

Now sources vary, some are good, some not so. And when it comes to transfer stories there's an awful lot going on every summer and everybody has an angle and everyone is pushing their own agenda, so a lot of stuff gets printed that doesn't come to pass. But they dont make things up.

Are you joking or what? Proper journalistic standards in the English papers, even the red tops? :hmm:

Darma chef on sky sports news thinks we may get sahin

Good old Darma, would be nice if he's right.

Hmm. Hi-jack the deal.

We can offer him CL, they cannot.
Wages? They'll probably pay more?
First team football - better prospects here?
London v Liverpool - in case he's not aware of the difference hope he watched the Olympics

Are we still speaking about a loan deal?

Yes. A loan with a buyout clause should be perfect.

qs! wrote:

Are you joking or what? Proper journalistic standards in the English papers, even the red tops? :hmm:

I know!

asajoseph wrote:

Well, AFCamden reckons Sahin wasn't signed because the RVP deal was delayed by a day. Others now saying we're trying hard to hijack the Liverpool deal.

Personally, I reckon he's the only person (non-journo) on Twatter with any kind of 'ITK' knowledge. So may yet be a chance.

how would that influence the sahin deal? afcamden claims we had to sell one player before signing sahin; why?

It's their get out of jail free card.

The we must sell X to buy Y and then when we do sell X but don't sign Y you hear stories of "Oh we took too long" or "The buy out clause expired" or "the deal broke down but an arrangement was in place".

We're interested and competing with Liverpool for his signature.
That's about all any of them know for sure.

I don't even think they know that 'for sure' y, though it is probably true.

Lagos wrote:

qs! wrote:

Are you joking or what? Proper journalistic standards in the English papers, even the red tops? :hmm:

I know!

Some of the biggest most poweful news publications in the world. Yes, there are certain standards they adhere to.