i like this:

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php?1782-does-this-mean-arsenal-have-to-play-the-qualifer-for-the-champs-league/page2

i wouldnt be surprised if we finish 4th next season, behind City, Utd and Chelsea, and Arse go and win the CL at Wembley and once again someone nicks our CL spot

after this season, and a few before, i believe this kinda shit has all the chances to happen

oh how awesome that would be.

Booze has not helped. I can't remember the last time football made me this upset. Spurs would have done fuck all in next year's CL. All that matters is that those cunts in blue have been crowned champions of Europe before us. Not as if we're going to break that duck anytime soon - we're a pile of shit after all.

Feel sick.

Biggus wrote:

Well thats that, Rex Marv & Naz won, the rest of us Spuds lovers lost.

I didn't win anything. I'm as pissed as everyone else. That vote was more about my hate for the scum rather than Chelsea winning the CL...

Wanted Chelsea to lose but still can't help smiling at the fact Spurs are out of the CL. Possibly due to my Spurs parents constantly texting me "mind the gap" and "still 3rd" and all that shit every week all season. Funnily enough they didn't text me about football again after the 5-2..... Goodbye Bale, Modric, Adebayor and Van der Vaart too.

Biggus wrote:

Captain wrote:

Hope you are all ready for Biggus to tell you that Chelsea are the best team in europe, every few weeks, for the next year.

Way ahead of you Capi- UEFA the body who govern European football decided to have a tournament to determine who is the "Best team", and they give this "Best team"
a trophy as an award and call them Champions of Europe"......Do you see how this works......

As I said in the other thread- you folks will hear that a lot over the next year.

Team that came sixth domestically is the best in europe because it fluked a trophy. Yeah, I see how that works alright.

Can't see how this was a better result than Spurs limping into the CL next season.

When I got back from a couple of days' camping this morning and saw the result, my heart sank into my shoes.

All I could think was 'Thank Christ we got third. Thank heaven …'

To think you guys were weighing up one rival qualifying for a competition with another actually winning it … doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

I don't think there's been a more unworthy winner in CL history. All teams that win the trophy have a certain degree of luck in a few games, but Chelsea actually managed to be outplayed by every single opponent they faced, give away about 15 100% chances a match and still win it

Biggus wrote:

It's not me Capi I don't make the rules, it's the team that scores more goals and wins the games that takes the trophies.
Theres no such thing as fluking it the other teams didn't defend well enough is all.

Whether it was a fluke or not is quite irrelevant. A team that came sixth in a 20 team, 38 game, league tournament can never be the best team in europe. Absolute not.

Winning a cup does not and will not ever change that.

Biggus wrote:

How was the camping Burnsy?

Very good Biggs, thanks for asking—though the edge was taken off my happiness by the neuroses of a woman we know, a close friend (not my girlfriend) who came along with us.

She spent the weekend browbeating my other friend, her partner over camp hygiene issues and whining about feeling nauseated, because she's just discovered she's in the family way. Can't stand it when people broadcast their anxieties with the filter off, although I can imagine it must be quite worrisome suddenly having to shoulder the extra health risks of pregnancy.

I was raised not to ruin it for everyone else I guess

Biggus wrote:

Heh heh "outplayed" you just don' t get this "anti-football" do you Gurgen.

Neither do you apparently.

Ian Wright ‏@IanWright0
"They do now" Ashley cole. Laughing last. To you all you mugs who caned him! He made the right decision! Swallow and move on.

Free toy, Germans lose some competition on penalties, 50p and oh yes, it was Chelsea who won the CL.

I wonder if in post Abromovich years to come people will be looking at a non event Chelsea and thinking jeez, did they really once win the CL - bit like Marseille or Villa or Forest.
Last night's victory being a one off never to be repeated result, the end of an era as opposed to the beginning.

That's how it seems to me.

That was before my time
And yes Biggus very obviously winning it once is better than never winning it.
Face it, with or without Wenger our chances of CL victory are minuscule as long as we have an owner and board who are only bothered about the revenue it brings as opposed to being seriously interested in winning it.

What man city, chelsea and even liverpool has shown us is spend at least around 60 million and you will win a trophy, any argument wenger puts just has to be shown this fact, he better Spend big this summer or we are better off sacking him now.

Wenger knows the facts Sam.
What we think we're better off doing is largely irrelevant to those who run the club.

Wenger won't be sacked and we won't spend £60m on buying players this summer.
How were you going to arrange to have him sacked anyway?

The same way avb and dalglish were sacked no room for sentiment

You think Kroenke and the boys are keeping Wenger around for sentimental reasons?

To a certain extent, the amount of coverage it would get would enormous and if it doesnt pay off they will be known as the "ones who sacked wenger" it seems easier to get rid of gaddafi than wenger

SamDaGooner wrote:

What man city, chelsea and even liverpool has shown us is spend at least around 60 million and you will win a trophy

What are you talking about?

Biggus wrote:

Gurgen wrote:

Neither do you apparently.

What are you talking about?
It's not me bleating about "outplayed" and "fluked".

That's true, you bleat the other same, tiresome nonsense.

Those three are the only teams to Spend over 60 mil in 2011 and all three have won a trophy... the correlation between spending big and winning is quite clear

Carling Cup is not a trophy.

Sure as hell isn't.

SamDaGooner wrote:

Those three are the only teams to Spend over 60 mil in 2011 and all three have won a trophy...

But that's an insane way of reasoning. You're ignoring years and years of investment. City, for instance, have spent around £500 million on players in the last few years, and that's ignoring what's probably the world's biggest wage bill at this point. Abramovich has spent billions at Chelsea since he took over. Those teams weren't assembled last summer.

Gurgen wrote:

Biggus wrote:

What are you talking about?
It's not me bleating about "outplayed" and "fluked".

That's true, you bleat the other same, tiresome nonsense.

Don't mind Biggus. When it's one of those tipi-tapi teams who rake home 47 trophies in a decade only seven or eight of them really count, and they're still only half as good as when Mourinho wins them.

A Google search on John Terry throws up

Add to that: pretends he played in CL final.

Klaus wrote:

Sure as hell isn't.

SamDaGooner wrote:

Those three are the only teams to Spend over 60 mil in 2011 and all three have won a trophy...

But that's an insane way of reasoning. You're ignoring years and years of investment. City, for instance, have spent around £500 million on players in the last few years, and that's ignoring what's probably the world's biggest wage bill at this point. Abramovich has spent billions at Chelsea since he took over. Those teams weren't assembled last summer.

I dunno, seems to be a strong correlation between spending loads of money and fucking up your league form too. Must be accurate.

The pattern is pretty obvious when you think about it. Liverpool spent £150 million or so and finished 8th. Chelsea spent a little less and finished 6th. Arsenal spent even less than that and finished 3rd. It's only logical to suspect that a team with a negative net spend will win Premier League next year. We're talking West Ham or Norwich in all likelihood. West Bromwich, perhaps. Odds will probably be around 1000/1. Time to get the season bets in early this year.

Or what about city Spend 100 million win the league. Put it like this if abramovic was not at chelsea would they have won the league in 05 and 09 or the cl or fa cup...

Exactly my point. Where are we going to get 100 million to spend, let alone
60? And that's talking transfers. Then there are wages.

biggus, you've gone bonkers. lumping bayern in with barca as a tippy tappy pussyball team? 6th place finisher in england the best team in europe? you're making no sense. take a little break from football. we know we're stuck with wenger and that he's not going to win anything - that doesn't mean every single event in football needs to shoehorned into your anti-wenger crusade, no matter how ridiculous they are on their face.

y va marquer wrote:

I wonder if in post Abromovich years to come people will be looking at a non event Chelsea and thinking jeez, did they really once win the CL - bit like Marseille or Villa or Forest.
Last night's victory being a one off never to be repeated result, the end of an era as opposed to the beginning.

That's how it seems to me.

Don't you reckon that's a bit optimistic? It's not like Roman's money is running out.

There are thousands and thousands of Chelsea fans celebrating in the streets.